Hello everyone,
I am extremely pleased to bring you this new conversation with my friend and Great Barrington Declaration colleague Dr. Martin Kulldorff. Martin is an epidemiologist and biostatistician by training and I hold him with the highest respect due to his willingness to challenge unquestionable orthodoxy on all sides of the scientific debate.
In this critical conversation we discuss a number of hot topics, most crucially Martin’s firing from Harvard for his opposition to vaccine mandates. He has broken the silence on this tragic issue and we are happy to host his first public conversation on the matter.
We also discuss Martin’s firing from the CDC over the J&J vaccine and Harvard’s generally unscientific response to the pandemic. The conversation concludes with a discussion on decentralizing and reforming the scientific community.
Takeaways
Harvard's response to the pandemic, including the firing of Martin Kulldorff, raises concerns about academic freedom and the need for reform in the scientific community.
There is a lack of randomized trial data on vaccine efficacy for older people, particularly in relation to reducing hospitalizations and deaths.
Vaccine trials have limitations in assessing rare conditions and long-term efficacy and adverse reactions.
Post-approval monitoring of vaccine safety is necessary to identify and address side effects.
The controversy over the CDC's pause on the J&J vaccine rollout had a negative impact on public trust and vaccine uptake.
Note to readers: join us for our fourth live Q+A where you can directly participate in conversation with Jay and Rav to discuss your questions, thoughts, and concerns:
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background
14:12 Early Thoughts on the Pandemic
30:36 Meeting at the White House
48:46 The Great Barrington Declaration
52:40 Challenges and Attacks
58:25 Assessing the Vaccine Trials
01:01:48 The CDC's Pause on the J&J Vaccine
01:04:39 The Need for Exemptions and Accommodations
01:09:49 Harvard's Vaccine Mandate and Firing
01:14:47 Martin's Experience with COVID-19
01:18:24 Harvard's Treatment of Martin
01:27:06 Assessing Harvard's Response to the Pandemic
01:31:17 The Need for Reform in the Scientific Community
01:35:46 Bright Spots and Moving Forward
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I am a signer on the Great Barrington Declaration and am very, very proud to be there. I remember the day I signed it, what I was doing, and how I felt. My pride will never diminish.
Thank you so much for bringing this interview to us. Standing up is what it will take - from all of us. Thank you both for doing so - from the beginning of this strange tyrannical lunacy - of which many are still blinded from. Thank you again!
I remember finding and signing it when it came out and just feeling depressed and how futile the whole thing was. It is kind of sad how few people actually learned about it or signed it. Perhaps if it had been released in April after the “two weeks to slow the spread” turned out to be a Trojan horse, it might have gotten enough publicity to make a difference. Instead, it was buried by the rest of the establishment. Even so, I am still grateful that some establishment epidemiologists were willing to stick their necks out and push back at all.
Next time, we must say no to loss of civil rights, from Day-1.
Even if the virus is 99% lethal, there is no life on Earth worth living under a state of mandates. I loved the Spanish Netflix series The Barrier, which portrayed such authoritarianism still present 25 years after the virus... kinda like the Patriot Act.
It is ridiculous that Harvard would not give Dr. Kulldorff a vaccine exemption. But not surprising. A friend of mine who was in her last year of nursing school had a serious adverse reaction to the first shot, vomiting and syncope followed by a seizure. She tried to get an exemption for the second shot given her history with the first, but was denied. So, she dropped out of nursing school.
There was so much anti-science foolery and outright malpractice demonstrated by the medical community and public health, that I for one will never trust doctors and public health officials again. And I am not alone.
This was the travesty of the pandemic.
Not so much "medical community" as the medical-industrial complex.
The medical community went along with it... had most doctors been brave enough to resist the obvious foolishness, things may have been different.
One and the same
The medical community just complied instead of doing their own research. They’re not exempt of responsibility and repercussion if that blessed day does happen.
Most if not all shot injured were pushed to get a subsequent shot. Many lost their jobs or obeyed only to lose their jobs because they were too ill to continue. I had a horrible injury from my first pfizer but was pressured to get more. I’m totally baffled as to what was going on behind the scenes. None of it makes sense.
It doesn’t make sense because none of it made sense. It will go down as one of the greatest psyops on the world one day. The only upswing is the lack of trust people have towards the Medical Profession. Never Forget!
Seems like these people are trying to kill us... with total disregard to our human rights.
It’s not seems like, the mRNA JAB is a depopulation tool. Some people will survive, but most will not be able to conceive and have children. These deep state demons covered multiple bases.
You’re right, there was no science to support the covid shot. Even standing 6 ft apart and wearing a mask for protection was false according to Dr. Fauci. The world was lied to for Big Pharma and severely pushed by governments across the world. No compliance, no job…. People died, people suffered from myocarditis, pericarditis, blood clots, paralysis… long covid… No accountability and no consequences for Big Pharma and hospitals who followed their protocols. The people that said NO were vilified, blamed for prolonging the pandemic when it was their mRNA VACCINE that prolonged the pandemic. Any doctor, scientist, virologist …that spoke out were fired and blacklisted. The media stood on their soap boxes as town criers for Big Parma and for their governments . It was universal sabotage. It’s not over. Sadly, we will see many die over the next ten years. SV40 in the vaccine causes cancer. There’s an incredible uptick in cancer, turbo cancer, rare cancers and people in remission for years facing cancer again. Babies hitting all their milestones went blank after their mRNA Covid Vaccine. Innocent little babies, besides all the stillborns from injected mothers. This will go down as the greatest depopulation tool by Big Parma on the world next to abortion and starvation of the poor across the world. The Deep
State isn’t conspiracy, it’s a big club of elites. They’ve infiltrated governments , Federal, State, Provincial and Municipal across the world, churches, school boards.. the media.. They did it for 30 pieces of silver, so to speak, meaning it was done for profit at our expense. It didn’t stop the spread and it’s never going away.
I believe that the J&J vaccine story is one of the most interesting under reported stories of the pandemic. My hunch is that there was a deliberate effort by the FDA and Pfizer to undermine the J&J vaccine in order to increase the market share of the mRNA technology. From the beginning, J&J was being out maneuvered. Stories were leaked about J&J manufacturing problems and released as headlines from places like the NYT. There was the pause over the small number of blood clotting side effects with the adenovirus vaccines with no pauses over myocarditis in the mRNA vaccines. And J&J decided to sell their vaccine at cost and 2 to 3 times less than Pfizer or Moderna as some sort of good will gesture during the pandemic. They even developed the vaccine as a single dose rather than the more lucrative two to infinite number of doses from Pfizer or Moderna. J&J never understood that the covid 19 vaccine development was all about normalizing the mRNA technology and giving away a bunch of money to its manufacturers.
I absolutely believe there was and is corruption behind the jabs. So many immunologists, molecular biologists, vaccinologists and even family doctors had their reputations smeared for talking against lockdowns and the shots. Our governments seem to rely on the “scientists” from pharma for the “correct” information despite having an enormous conflict of interest.
Hard to talk to your politicians when they’re in on it. They were all paid off one way or another.
I was ambiguous about that too. My union rep who helped me fight my work mask mandate, she had the thrombosis following the J&J jab, wish she'd chosen, based on 1-shot, rather than multiple, which had gone thru my mind too.
It deserves being further investigated.
It has been investigated and the result is clear, it was dangerous and life threatening. It didn’t work, after shot 1, 2 and 3. They planned on making this an annual shot, but people clued in to a certain point, but enough to mess with their agenda for the moment, but like they project, there’s going to be another Plandemic and it will be deadlier… I don’t care, didn’t comply then and won’t on the next one. Stay free!
All medical products should be tested for decades, not a couple of months, before even put into mass circulation.
I agree with you. My son was forced by his job to get vaccinated. His doctor recommended the J&J shot and gave him a protocol to follow after the shot to deter side effects. It has worked out very well for him. One shot, no side effects, and has never had Covid.
Burn down the CDC, FDA and NIH and start over. Decentralize research funding and public health... Crowdsource it.
We need pharma funding out of science and health. It’s a huge conflict of interest.
the reality is all this crap would reorganize and happen again. its the evil root of the entire octupus that must be understood. it is also a combination of collectivism, globalism, corporatism and the New Age religion of depopulation behind the scenes that made these 3-letter institutions become weaponized. I doubt we will live to see these insitutions destroyed. But if it does, what they have transmogrified into must never be allowed to happen again.
Thx to no oversight, transparency, integrity because there’s money to be made at the health of citizens across the world. It’s a big club and we’re not in it.
I also signed the GBD on day-1 (or 2), but I'm a nobody biologist. The first 6 months of the SCV2 hysteria, I posted G-7 death statistics every day on Facebook, to show how the measures and the age stratification meant it was no danger to 99.5% of humans, but people just didn't care. Once the hysteria set in, Canadians DEMANDED the Canadian government punish the unvaccinated.
But even in March 2020, long before vax talk, my feminist friends had decided to "save the world" by sewing handmaid "masks" (face diapers). So already in March 2020, I was disgusted by stupid anti-science behaviour.
Next time, RESIST from DAY-1 (I did, alongside UnHerd, Off-Guardian, GrayZone, and a few ohter news sites, but oh so few)
I don’t believe it was our Canadian government who structured the assault on people who, for good reason refused to get the shot. It came from somewhere, maybe pharma. The weaponized terms started even before the shots were available here, like anti vaxxers, conspiracy theorists, anti science. It was propaganda to indoctrinate the public to target those that refused. Rather than the shots being inefficient at stopping transmission it was blamed on those unvaccinated. This happened the world over. There is a lot of hurt and anger in the unvaccinated for the inhumane way they were treated. My biggest regret in life was getting the one and only shot as it has changed my life forever. There was so much propaganda. If you remember there was a hotline set up so you could squeal on your neighbour if they were entertaining people. The shut downs of restaurants, hair salons, schools etc. etc. but massage parlours were exempt. It was so divisive. Pitting neighbour against neighbour. I believe there exists some powerful entity controlling everything covid. The exalting of the shots was endless. No informed consent even though Pfizer’s own paper dated February 2021 was loaded with adverse side effects. I am angry that I wasn’t aware of that paper (FOIA) before I made my life changing decision.
In August 2021, Trudeau said he'd never make the experimental procedure mandatory.
Then, Canadians DEMANDED Trudeau make it mandatory and punish the unvaxed. Canadians live in a bubble and had no clue that most of the rest of the world (minus a few exceptions) was not as hysterical as Canada.
I did not get any of the shots.
Not due to propaganda though, I'm not much affected by propaganda, the only thing that could have made me get it was my employment, and my employer dropped the mandate, so I was able to return to work without the shot.
But all this talk about the vx is downstream.
The real problem is the early hysteria in early 2020. People accepted
-stay home
-social distancing
-lockdowns
-essential workers
-face diapers
ALL that was people being hysterical
Canadians expect governments to give us eternal life
Canadians expect governments to give us pain free life
Canadians expect governments to give us illness free life (and idiots like Sam Harris)
It's Canadians. This nation which Trudeau made "Post-national" has become insane.
ALL people who only decided to fight back when the vax mandate happened, are, well, sorry, part of the problem.
I don’t accept that all people who decided to fight back…, were part of the problem.
We became their problem. It was pushback that monkey wrenched them, the trucker convoy, pastors, doctors, virologists… the deaths, injuries/side effects and those that refused to comply. Without us fighting back, we would’ve been steamrolled.
Now you know and I hope you use your experience, your voice the next time it happens. That’s how we change the narrative.
Well said, but the propaganda was military strength and well-planned, so you cant necessarily blame the victims. BTW Unherd are part of the problem, not the solution - funded by impact investors who are part of the censorship industrial complex.
UnHerd's Lockdown TV kept me sane for two years. They were my main source of hope. I'm a super progressive, so I don't align with their conservative politics in the least. But the trouble is leftists have become fukin (pardon my French) lunatics and hysterics, and I can no longer tolerate them, so I guess I'll continue being a lone wolf.
I am severely disillusioned by my fellow man/woman.
I do blame people for their germophobia.
I do blame people for their ridiculous expectations of governments providing eternal pain-free life.
It's sheer stupidity.
The hysteria came BEFORE the "military strength propaganda". That stuff merely sealed the coffin.
But Leftists aren't the only problem. Canadian Conservative politicians locked down HARDER than Liberal politicians, bc Canadian Conservatives are Monarchist authoritarians, nothing like American Republicans.
tracy we witnessing the results of a marxist globalist hive mind takeover. this did not just happen locally but across the western nations that relinquishing national sovererignity for this perverted dream of one world government. this is the spawn of 200 years of godless enlightenment.
I'm a libertarian socialist? I appreciate things in both sides. This not Marxism but corporatism, or, maybe we can agree to call it fascism, a merger of corporatism and Marxism.
Global corporations are anti life.
semantics. This is global authoritarianism on display. We are watching all these medical institutions around the globe that were once beneficial to mankind, now being weaponized against humanity. Greed, collective power and a dehuman agenda.
Yes and No. We originally lived a homeopathic lifestyle until Big Pharma took over and shut natural remedies down. It was a coup aligned and profitable by governments in most countries Yes, we need the medical professionals for surgeries when nothing else works, but it’s the last intervention, not the almighty first and only option. We lost our way, we bit the lie, trust the science. We forgot that nature provided everything we needed to live our best lives. Aside from that, their science has been proven wrong, their food guide is wrong. We’ve been lied to all our lives. A high cholesterol, sodium, high fat diet is necessary for a healthy life. The Rockefeller family has been behind this great deception for a century. It’s been a long term plan. Hard to wrap your head around, I know, rabbit holes are mind blowing and rock your foundation, but in the end, as always, the truth sets you free.
You can’t be both. If you’re a Socialist, you’re a Marxist , not a Nationalist. Quit lying to yourself.
you blame private citizens for what? your perception of what they think, feel and expect? their expectations of govt are the problem? For not conforming in a way that you desire you condemn them, allowing you to easily pass off responsibly for your own emotional state and well being. You recognize the lunacy and emotional ignorance of those whose ideology aligns with yours and so of course your solution is blame other people and not the ideology itself. why? This would mean admitting, accepting and taking responsibility for adopting lunatic ideology. But no it's gotta be something wrong with everyone else not me and my ideas, together we are infallible!
Bwa hahahaha!
What do you mean. What’s so ludicrously funny? Are you saying that trust the science is the answer?
UseeMiSandDISinfo was claiming people are not to blame. People are absolutely to blame. People acted like fools and DEMANDED governments protect them from the evil virus. It is 100% stupid thinking.
Seems like you have some reading to do. Good luck with your journey.
We’re in a pickle. The Left have been infiltrated by the CCP. The NDP thought they’d grab the gold ring by aligning with them. The Conservatives didn’t get the memo that it was all bs coming right out of the gate, but they eventually clued in.
The NDP havn't been socialist since evil Mulcair. Mulcair is but a Westmount elite capitalist who honed his political skills being an anti-French activist (as one from evil Westmount would".
Today, NDP is just a mouthpiece for wokeism.
I too was kept sane by Unherd, particularly during the early days of the hysteria. They were the only media outlet to interview Prof Johann Geisecke, the architect of the Swedish response as advisor to Anders Tegnell. His anti-consensus views, two months into lockdown, proved subsequently to be totally correct.
I'm not sure where your information comes from, but Unherd is owned by Sir Paul Marshall, a UK businessman who also owns GB News. GBN is a TV channel which is reviled by the censorship industrial complex, who effectively prevent it from getting any significant advertising revenue. Marshall's hedge fund may have investors who are part of the problem, but they do not seem to be influencing the editorial line of his media outlets.
I take your point, but the ‘anti-lockdown’ stance is effectively what’s known in propaganda theory as a limited hangout. Jordan Peterson’s ARC and UnHerd and GBNews are all part of the same hands, whose strings pull those intl puppets, esp the UK Tory Party. You’re welcome to read some of my posts about Legatum (another one coming next week) which expose the role impact investment entities play in the Censorship Industrial Complex, including the Covid era fraud.
In all discussions, timelines are important. Any new venture will seek to entice a specific following, create brand loyalty, before its corporate bankrollers do away with the pretence, and simply fold back into the establishment role.
Absolutely UnHerd was great in the beginning, but as of now, it has mostly become establishment.
It was heard more than you know. Like you, I hope the next time they pull this stunt,more people are awake and the push back is unbreakable. Thank you.
Re: post-covid immunity being "stronger" than vaccine immunity.
I think it's more useful to say 'broader' rather than 'stronger'.
What we know for sure is:
- generally, vaccine immunity is lesser or equal, to post-illness immunity
- Spike protein immunity is absolutely ridiculously narrower than post-illness immunity
But, the vaccine debate is downstream. Resistance should have started at the first hint of social disruption.
Brilliant Conversation!
It's amazing to think back about Walensky denying post-covid immunity, or rather 'partial & transient' immunity, as Dr Vinay Prasad stated.
The fact that Dr Prasad refused to sign it was a huge disappointment to me, because outside your group of three, his little crew of allies were the only other very-pro-vax-pro-science people to fight this. Outside a circle of some 15-20-some Doctors, the quality of contrarianism quickly waned in quality.
But even from you guys, LEADERS of the resistance, I felt the the major failure was the ever-present caveat of "vax mandates are wrong because people with natural immunity are already immune"
the line should have been mandates are always wrong, end of.
All the Pandemic Preparedness plans by December 2019 said no to NPIs, no to enforcement policies.
The mandates/lockdowns went against ALL Pandemic Preparedness Planning.
The next time we must not wait for a vax mandate to fight back.
Next time, we must stand for civil rights before hysteria.
Readers/viewers might be interested in my in-depth feature story on Richard Hirschman, the famous/infamous embalmer who first showed the world images of the “horrifying” clots he was seeing in up to 50 percent of the bodies he embalmed.
If you read or skim the story, please note the link I added about a medical professional who recently became a whistleblower and reported that doctors and nurses are removing these worm-like substances from patients “three to 10 times every week.” They are NOT forming only “post-mortem.”
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/my-visit-with-historys-most-important?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
My dad was holistic, and I grew up with those beliefs. I can tell you fasting clears out cancer, and I believe it will clear out the coronavirus. I continue to fast two days a week for two months. Then I return to normal for two months, and I start fasting again.
Next time RESIST from Day 1, don't wait for vax mandates to come round.
NO to stay home
NO to face coverings
NO to "essential workers.
NO to closures
NO to "social distancing"
YES to GET HEALTHY. Get outside, eat better, lose weight
If governments were honest about healthcare, instead of paying us to stay home during lockdowns, they should have sent out food baskets to the poor, coaching for the obese, and free daily community phys ed sessions to encourage people to get healthy.
Would have been cheaper and saved more lives, from DAY-1
Have any of you three considered suing Collins, Fauci, certain media figures, for their smear campaigns?
Very interesting interview! One of the craziest things to me seems to be that Harvard still has a vaccine mandate for students. I find that extraordinary and ridiculous, not sure what the institution is trying to prove or if it is receiving large payoffs from Pharma and has offered its students as a market.
Harvard & Stanford are the centre of the academic fake factchecking industry. See Shellenberger’s testimony to the Biden v Missouri case for just one aspect of evidence about this.
Pandemic? Oh, the CDC/FDA/CCP Scamdemic.
So wonderful to hear this logical discussion from two very accreditied people. As a layperson, to me what didn't ever make sense, was covid cases were being reported without context of actual number of fatalities and stats of such re: demographics, why when people got vaxed they felt more vulnerable amongst the unvaxed (wasn't that the point of getting them?), and why people didn't question the efficacy for so long of getting repeated jabs so close together; did that not show the opposite? And a enormous concern was that we lost the right to even discuss both sides, weight the pros and cons and make our own decision about our bodies. What resulted was that if you were holding off or deciding against the vax based on no long term data etc., you were automatically a conspiracy theorist and did not believe the virus existed. Incredibly sad and disappointing.
The excoriation of Atlas had nothing to do with science. He was opposed because he was working for Trump and giving him good advice. You guys took a position that was favorable to what was perceived as the view of conservatives. That was enough for them to work toward your destruction. All politics, no science involved.
Harvard had already destroyed its reputation with the debacle related to its own President's despicable behavior in her congressional testimony and her record of plagarizing. Now this idiotic firing of such a top scientist who has done nothing wrong. All alums should reconsider giving to this school in the future and future students should avoid applying to Harvard or any school mandating this dangerous and unnecessary/ineffective covid shot. Disgusting, actually. May the perfect opportunity present itself for Dr Martin Kulldorff. Sending him my best regards.
Thank you both. The deceit and cowardice in the medical community has been shameful.
The Covid response and strategy in the U.S. came from the Deoartment of Defense. They were in charge and undoubtedly, majorly influenced every other Western democracy. It was military intelligence and propaganda machines running the show, heavily intertwined with all major government agengcies , NGOs, academia , media outlets and other influential groups. Even people with strong constitutions found it very difficult to resist and stand up to it.
If we don't learn, as a society, how to contain this and "right the ship", so-to-speak, civilization will continue sliding toward worldwide Marxism. And, we will have no one to blame but ourselves.
I am obsessed with wanting to find the answer to the widespread censorship that took place of the injured, the scientists, doctors even judges etc. it was and is rife to this day. Not as bad but still bad. Any doctor who spoke out about lock downs or not wanting to give these too rushed, new technology never before tried on humans shot or those doctors who gave exemptions were crucified in the media. Why did everybody just fall in line? The media in Canada do not run drug commercials, so they’re not dependent on that money stream. But, they were conspicuous by their total silence except when it came to smearing people’s character or career. What the hell was/is going on? Where did this big threat originate?
There is plenty of work on this. See my comments about or my own posts for references.
Thank you for all that so few of you have done fo us. Ihe great barrington declaration gave us hope during very difficult times. You have been an inspiration and the impact you have had in many lives will be generational. You are all in our prayers and we are forever in your debt. Truth lives here.
Thanks for this interview, which helped to unpack some of the insanity of recent years as well as the people involved. As Martin says at the end, science itself has had major flaws exposed, with failures of leadership evident and many corrupt practices revealed (e.g. with public beauracracies, research funding and journals). I hope that a future interview will address in some way - hopefully drawing on genuine scientific work - other Covid issues that seem to be systematically kept from people (although the dam walls at times seem to be breaking) such as the increasingly worrying adverse effects of mRNA vaccines, the claims of all-cause mortality and the claims about Long-Covid (is it a real thing, unrecognised vaccine reactions or just another argument to support repeated vaccine boosting?).
A few major blind spots obvious here! Let’s hope time will open their eyes wider. ;)
You probably should note at least one “”blind spot” if you want to make a point.
Like for instance that the jab is harmful and didnt save any lives, but rather takes them (see the work of Rancourt et al for example)?
Rancourt is statistically incompetent. What's the saying? "Don't ascribe to malice what can be explained by incompetence"
Play the ball not the man, otherwise you are at risk of being called a propagandist. 😉
Seems like some of the audience here are not fully informed about the role of Harvard & Stanford in the Censorship industrial complex? See https://foundationforfreedomonline.com/newsguard-strategy-revealed-financial-throttling-virality/ for detailed evidence of this topic.
in other words "harm done without proof of deliberate intention to do harm isn't malicious"
My son was vaccine injured as a toddler and it woke me up to how corrupt and egregious the medical industry had become. We got kicked out of a pediatric practice for refusing further vaccinations. To be honest, his injury saved our family. By the time Covid started he was 8yrs old and we had already started homeschooling him so we just brought his younger sister home when they closed the schools. From the moment my husband’s office closed and the schools sent kids home I knew this was all about priming the market for a “product” the industry was going to launch and expect everyone to get to “get back to normal”. I was never afraid for our health. The only time I felt afraid was for our safety because the masks caused mental health to suffer for so many. I never masked or put a mask on my children. We moved to a more free state than California within 3 months. We found likeminded community and are still homeschooling today. My kids are healthy and thriving. We feel closer as a family and we have a healthy distrust of government and Pharma. That’s our pandemic story.
Thank you (deep bow here) for your important work. Without informed consent for medical treatment we are nothing but experimental lab rats in a clinical trial based on preconceived policy decisions.
Following the evidence, you and your fellow scientists who spoke up were heard, but not heeded. Please struggle on to try to reclaim the trust that honest scientific inquiry deserves. Tell the stories.
God whispered to me:
I once heard a tale of a man
Who split himself in two.
The one part never changed at all, the other grew and grew.
The changeless part was always true,
the growing part was always new,
and I wondered, when the tale was through,
which part was me and which part was you.
“We are the Easter people and Hallelujah is our song.”
—Pope John Paul II
As we gather with loved ones, enjoy traditions, and embrace the arrival of spring, may we also recognize the message of hope and renewal that Easter brings. Let us strive to live lives of compassion, forgiveness, and grace, reflecting the light of Christ in all that we do.
I wish you and your family a safe, blessed, and Happy Easter!
God bless you both.
Love these two great people. I would have loved to hear Martin Kulldorffs' opinion on the "vaccines" after the fact given his experience doing this with the FDA. Given what he has gone through, I can understand why he didn't, sadly.
Maybe it’s the ever present money power, that often malevolent lurking hidden attractor.
Fantastic interview and talk. Thanks to both of you for your bravery for standing for the truth. Every public health person should have to watch this interview. Thanks for all you do and have done.
Every turn of the screw in this disgusting story of the official response to the Covid pandemic leaves a dirtier and dirtier taste in my mouth. Andf the academic class comes out of all this with a fatally tarnished reputation. How long, if ever, can they recover their reputations?
I very much enjoyed this talk. Thank you for sharing with the world!
With all that we have gone through, the following statement should be our mantra
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And I think that if a scientist refuses to debate other scientists, even if it's a Stanford scientist or Harvard scientist, you shouldn't believe them."
Thank you for sharing a thoughtful, real, and scientific analysis of what became a "show" of power rather than evidence- based logic and science. The fact that so many people do not stand up for what is right is a testament to the way we fear for our salaries and reputations and acknowledgment. We truly have weaponized being a leader - this is true in corporate America, universities, and the political/ government / security/defense realm.
Thank you both for everything.
That our ex New Zealand prime minister jacinda adern went to havrvard with three new roles , where she will study and speak on leadership, governance and online extremism, tells me harvard has lost any standing it may have had or was perceived to have. This conversation just cements that
the entire institutional-scientific-governmental-apparatus is incestuous and deserves the title 'the complex'.
I'm shocked that both of you are still calling these vaccines. They are weapons. No discussion of the failed mRNA, no talk of creating spike protein factories isn't a good idea and so many more things ignored!
This is always really interesting and glad to hear things from Kulldorff's perspective. Especially now that people are allowed to talk about it more honestly than they were when you both were shut down.
I'm disappointed with this conversation. The excess number of deaths currently in Europe and America is a side effect of the vaccine. I do not recommend it to anyone, even older people. Since you're a statistician, you probably see this. Besides, this whole vaccination push campaign was suspicious enough. No one in their right mind decided to get vaccinated.
Thank you both for your words & actions since 2020!
My dad was holistic, and I grew up with those beliefs. I can tell you fasting clears out cancer, and I believe it will clear out the coronavirus. I continue to fast two days a week for two months. Then I return to normal for two months, and I start fasting again. FASTING clears out CANCER and would likely clear out the CORAVIRUS!
There are institutions today putting out that cancer can be cleared by fasting! It use to be on Harvard's website but no longer is!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9530862/
Please do affiliate with Anders Tegnell. Now that the UN position didn't work out, I wonder what he's up to.
Anders Tegnell has the biggest balls of anyone, because he had the ultimate courage of following Pandemic Preparedness Plans from DAY-1, and was honest enough to admit it may have been possible to better serve the geriatrics.
Tho, I never faulted him for that, because the lives of the young should never be traded for the lives of the geriatrics.
All the "public health" officials who orchestrated all the mandates and lockdowns must be ousted from scientific fields altogether. Make them do garbage pickup.
I must ad, you need to get Dr Vinay Prasad on. He said he hesitated to sign your GBD because it offered too few alternatives. I think he was wrong to not sign, because he basically put up one of the biggest fights of anyone, he was an advocate of the Swedish approach and against all mandates.
I think if you all had spoken to each other earlier, some wider consensus might have been achieved.
It's NOT COVID, it's The Wuhan Flu. The Chinee were all upset about the name so the corrupt CDC and US government let it be called "covid" which is also the very common cold. They must never be allowed to forget from where the abomination and biggest con ever came. Same with the experimental drugs, they are NOT vaccines regardles of how the corrupt CDC and corrupt US government want to redefine the word. For good background I suggest watch Vivafrei Ep 201 where Robert Barnes from 37:30 explains the cover-up of the Brooke Jackson case/saga.