I have to respectfully disagree with Professor Desmet.
In his example of the watch, such a device doesn't disconnect us from nature as he alleges. Devising a watch in fact engages us with our fundamental nature of working with and understanding the physical world and building from that. We might as well say that constructing a piano disconnects us from nature and in Desmet's view this might be correct, but the experience of the great piano works and the act of playing such an instrument gives the lie to the theory of mechanical disconnection. Such an act in fact expands human feeling and connectivity.
We are not a disconnected people, and were not prior to Covid. Being with each other, socializing, is part of our nature and this happens despite technology supposedly standing in the way of our grounding in reality and being with others. All of us saw this prior to the world of High Covid, and we see it now that the Covid restrictions have largely passed and we're back to normal.
I think Desmet is seriously misleading and presents us with a false ontology as to the actual nature of humans vis a vis technology and rationality.
Mass formation during Covid was induced by vicious and relentless 24/7 propaganda and censorship. It didn't spontaneously arise from any anxiety present prior to Covid, although of course a certain portion of the population will always be anxious and lonely, and this has likely been true for millennia. The Covid anxiety and fear were deliberately induced-- that was the plan-- and, as many have noticed, this planning was years in the making. A conspiracy. A truly rational and balanced governmental health care establishment would've acted with prudence and care to keep the social fabric intact instead of inducing it to panic, and it would've sought and promoted discoveries relating to early treatment for Covid instead of ruthlessly suppressing them.
This notion of conspiracy contradicts Desmet's theory, in which he very clearly states in chapter 8 of his book that there was no conspiracy during Covid, only the appearance of one. Really? To have the world coordinated in lockstep fashion and heavily pressured to obey, that was no conspiracy? Only a "manipulation," as Desmet says, but a manipulation planned years in advance?
I think it's possible to reconcile the existence of a conspiracy with Desmet's theory. My understanding of Chapter 8 was that mass formation does not require a conspiracy to instantiate, however, this does not mean that a conspiracy cannot exist alongside mass formation. Desmet may personally not believe in a conspiracy but we can still apply his theory while acknowledging a conspiracy exists.
Some of the conspirators may understand mass formation and use it to their advantage.
I think Desmet clearly makes the case that the steering, the manipulation, during High Covid was impersonal in nature-- he says this on page 131 of his book. Thus, the appearance of conspiracy is like the Sierpinski triangle he introduces: appearing deliberate but proceeding mechanistically. So any "conspiracy" is merely the manifestation of the dominant ideology of the time-- a type of Sierpinski triangle-- which Desmet asserts is the ideology of a mechanistic worldview.
The many objections to Desmet's theory stem from him placing the blame for the mass formation during Covid on the mechanistic tendency of the people themselves, who yearned for a master to lead them and wanted to believe the most fearful messages. This is exactly what his book asserts. This is absurd. What really happened was 24/7 fear porn was deliberately leveled at us in order to, yes, induce a mass formation. People see the mass formation and therefore believe that Desmet must be right, but when he butchers the true cause of that formation-- that it was indeed the result of a deliberate conspiracy likely decades-long in the planning and built on a sophisticated understanding of how to induce mass formation-- then we have to wonder what Desmet's project really is.
Tyrants use fear to control. That's what happened during Covid. Mass formation was generated by the tyrants and to say that it formed spontaneously through our own propensities to mechanistic thinking is to miss what would've happened if the authorities had counseled us to stay calm and carry on, if 24/7 fear porn hadn't been promoted by the government and the media, and if early treatment for Covid hadn't been viciously and ruthlessly suppressed (by lockstep government and medical authorities.) Then we would've carried on calmly and taken some cares, but the mass hysteria wouldn't have arisen and neither would the Covid police state-- probably the real goal of the operation--have taken hold. Instead, we lost our minds, yes, because they wanted us to lose our minds and conspired to make this happen. They did this for an obvious reason: as Klaus Schwab makes clear in his book ("Covid 19: the Great Reset") they were hoping that Covid would inspire a Great Reset and things would never get back to normal and we'd be party to a permanent medical police state.
We were deliberately manipulated. It was a conspiracy of the highest order, and Desmet's program is to pretend this never happened.
We've been disconnecting more and more for the last 7000-8000 years since we invented civilisation. Not one of our inventions have improved our lives on life on Earth generally. In fact, we have decimated nearly all other lives on this planet.
Before civilisation was invented by the growing elites, humans lived in groups, ate in groups, groomed in groups, slept in groups, sexed in groups, played in groups, and raised offspring in groups.
Civilisation was the greatest divisive force in history, forcing men and women in one-on-pairings, as if we were crows, ending evolution, ending our connection to nature.
This is our palaeontological history.
People can claim to love modernity and civilisation, that's your prerogative, but let's not confuse this POV with history and evolution.
I agree with you. Mass hysteria was stirred up by the media spewing propaganda 24/7 - remember the number of cases tracked at the bottom of the screen? Health authorities, scientist, doctors and politicians in a coordinated fashion bombarded us about the success story of the "safe and effective" vaccine, how it stops the spread and how you would never get covid, that the unvaccinated people are the one that spread the virus, die and of course, responsible for all of the deaths, including your grandma's. None of it was true as we, dissidents knew. And even when finally every bit of lie got proven to be a lie through gradual revelations that came via freedom of information records, or even by the pharma executive who revealed that there was no testing whether the vaccine prevent the spread of infection, or Fauci revealing that he was actually not in support of the lockdowns and so on. Yet, there has been no recourse, no corrective actions, and no apologies by the government, but rather they doubled down more on the insanity, as of they were right along the way. Now it's a fact that the so called vaccine does not stop the spread of covid, or prevents you getting covid, yet you are still required to get it in order to go to college. Only on this basis, it should not be required to take by anyone! But, no one seems to care, as if this was not important matter.
Finally, I am convinced that the majority of the people (60-70%) were fully aware of the lies and irrationality, but as a way of self preservation decided to keep their mouth closed. People generally understand what mass formation do, finding and eliminating the scapegoats.
Unfortunately I turned off the interview about 10 minutes in . It got too textbook theorizing for me . I wanted constant references to our current reality following the pandemic and how totalitarianism has now arisen everywhere and how to fight it. Not this.
I hope you might try to listen again... It laid out some groundwork which applies to any situation ...with reference to some covidian stuff... but it went beyond that...
The final discussion about how and what needs to be in place in order that mass formation does not happen again are deeply important.
What a thoroughly enjoyable interview. I have noticed throughout my life mass formation. The iconoclast either becomes a target of disdain or admired for having the strength to go against collective thinking. Prime example is the bully in the school yard. Covid has become very divisive, “we’re in this together,” only worked for those that adhered to the narrative. I did at the beginning until I became vaccine injured. At first I felt extremely lonely and isolated from the rest of society. It was an awful feeling compounded by my social and outgoing nature. I have so much disappointment and anger at myself for going along with the narrative and leaving my critical thinking somewhere other than my brain. Fear and the promise of ending the pandemic after two shots propelled me to willingly comply, which was a known big lie. The whole manipulation is evident to me now and can’t believe I didn’t see through it. But, the propaganda was so thorough. Any scientist or doctor who spoke out got demonized in print and t.v. Even before the shots they were priming us about the antivaxxers coming out in droves. I’m angry and sickened by the whole thing. I’m aware now and don’t trust anything I see or read. The misinformation and manipulation about the origins and the continued lauding of the safe and effective vaccines, the obvious corruption has damaged me deeply. I have no trust in our institutions.
Then now you perhaps understand that censorship and propaganda are the roots of totalitarianism? And that this has nothing to do with the supposed mechanistic thinking of the lonely population?
Why is Desmet promoting his theory, and why are people promoting Desmet? Perhaps we need to gear our critical thinking to another level?
Great podcast!!! I read Dr Jay B’s Great Barrington Declaration early on and watched doctors get cancelled for pushing alternative narratives and treatments. They couldn’t let doctors use (and show success from) Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin… because vax couldn’t get EUA approval if there was an effective treatment (Red flag!). They weren’t allowed to have a scientific discussion. (Red flag!) Covid death numbers were inflated (Red flag!) by including deaths “with” covid. I told friends (including a nurse friend who shunned me) that the lockdown would be WORSE than the virus. I only wore a mask on an airplane and for a doctor’s appointment (because you had to) and had one made that said “it’s not about safety; it’s about control”. Otherwise didn’t wear one in the free state of Florida. (Refused to go in stores where it was required; most had signs to wear mask but didn’t enforce it. Avoided eye contact with the mask shamers ) I felt masks were dehumanizing and they didn’t work. I didn’t get vax’d. But worry for my college kid who had to get them. Such a horrible time in our history and we must never allow it to be repeated. Folks you have to push back and refuse to comply next time.
Isn’t it ironic that many think religions are bad because powerful people can use religion to control others, in contrast with science that is supposedly rational, logical and pure? But science is a human construct, not an independent or benevolent God, and is just as useful as religion in being manipulated for good or for ill. (So is artificial intelligence.) Humans are all biased and I believe human-made reasoning devices cannot be completely rational. We are not as enlightened as we imagine and we do not really ‘follow science’ today as Ioannides’ replication crisis reveals and most do not want to recognize.
I do think many people have gotten boxed into their TVs, computers and cell phones which are superficial and limited realities. The world is not 2D and involves using 5 real senses and not just two, and we use intuition as well as logic. When you have to talk and interact with people who don’t think like you do regularly, you cannot help but be changed, whether or not you want to be. When you aren’t challenged, all you get is reinforcement of whatever beliefs you are looking to reinforce. You won’t even know that you are living in a world of false reality; a limited world that is just too comfortable to leave. Stay there too long and you get really angry when you encounter variant thought. It’s one thing to communicate with others of like mind to help refine your thoughts and another thing entirely to think that you know everything about everything and never expose yourself to any thoughts different than your own. And yet another level to censor others’ thoughts.
Thank you Desmet. Heard you early on in the plandemic when they attempted to make us less human, trying to convince people that we are without a soul. I am immensely grateful for you. Rational, reasonable and intelligent.
Thank you, Prof. Bhattacharya and especially Prof. Desmet for such a comprehensive explanation of the perils of the Mechanistic Worldview and of Mass Formation.
To respectfully push back against the comments made regarding the incentives faced by Tony Fauci (~minute 50:00), while it can be fully true that Fauci fully believed he acted on the side of good, that explanation of his behavior doesn't cover all plausible scenarios.
I make a distinction on faced incentives regarding those who repeatedly adopt the wrong side of an argument -- who willfully remain in error. Some of them are brainwashed, some are bullied into play-acting, some are bribed, some are black-mailed, and some are just plain evil (they actually want what is wrong for others).
It is amazing that so early on, we had the disposable time to cook up religare and religion.
And now in a supposed more civilised state mostly cannot emerge.
#Evolutionary_emergence has been wiped off along with the decimation of #zerocrime villages/towns. Incidentally, alongst with fall of #SpiceTradeAsia region.
There are countless degrees of increasing conscious clarity and Truth/Reality awakening & awareness to be realized, and merged with, in each and every one's individualized process of conscious awakening.
IMMERSED IN THIS EXPANSIVELY VAST WIDE OPEN INDIVISIBLE WHOLE-Y UNIVERSAL CONSCIOUSNESS/AWARENESS REALITY --- as contrasted against cramped, provincial subjective egocentric personalized partisan or sectarian ideological viewpoints and perspectives --- IS the essence'l nature of Reality and of all the constituent fractal aspects, reflections, expressions, and manifestations appearing within the whole of omni-conscious Reality, THIS I AM, and there is naught other than THIS ONE HERE, EVER•HERE•NOW CONSCIOUSNESS.
What in heavenly Reality does this block of words imply, signify, or point to? It signifies that our primary, true and timeless identity is THIS ONE CONSCIOUSNESS! THIS is our timeless/birthless-deathless Real identity --- infinitely more vast than the apparently limited humanoid form of our current earthly identification --- and which is stainlessly PURE, empty, open, utterly free and devoid of limit, boundary, or separation. THIS IS THE WHOLE-Y UNICITY/ONENESS REALITY which confounds and eludes the grasp and scope of the separative ego's comprehension.
Many of you/I/we are already at least to some degree aware, if not perfectly aware, of the Reality of THIS Ever•Here•Now Whole-y Unicity to which is here in referred, and in which we are inseparably aswim. Others are perhaps not yet highly experientially attuned to this infinite, innate, ever-present, all-pervasive nature of THIS REAL UNICITY REALITY. But this is the nature of the clearest contemporary conclusions gained from cutting-edge experimentation by quantum physicists, i.e., ALL IS ONE; there is no separation in time/space. That illusory sense of separation in time and space is merely the faulty perceptual projection of the unawakened, separative sense of identification with the individualized humanoid ego-mind-body construct.
The Reality is timeless/perpetual Unicity/Oneness, beyond the limitation-and-fear-inducing belief in separation. WE ARE NOT OTHER THAN, NOR APART FROM, THE DIVINE CONSCIOUSNESS.
All debates regarding the existence or non-existence of "God" are, unfortunately, terrible wastes of time, arising from unawakened separative juvenile perceptions arising from the innately divisive implications & ramifications of any belief that separative word-symbols and word definitions can accurately reflect the timeless wholeyness of THIS INFINITE IMPLICATE ISNESS, certainly Wholey divine, which we all already always are, IN HIGHEST PUREST REALITY.
Another way to express this in words: There exists nothing outside of the whole-y One Reality, Divine omni-consciousness; THIS is our own true pure divine/whole identity, ever incorruptible, indiminishable (except as modified by our own volitionally programmed present-moment BS/Belief Structure), and imperishable. Yes, you may congratulate yourself for having come this far in your awakened Self-realization from entrapment in the separative, materialist matrix illusion.
Desmet believes all the scholars, journalists, scientists, and other people who are, in fact, unearthing and documenting conspiracies behind COVID-19 are suffering from a variant of mass formation or mass hypnosis. They are emotionally disturbed — intensely “anxious,” “confused,” and “bewildered.” Out of their personal psychological “needs,” they make up simple-minded conspiracy theories in order to focus on something outside themselves. They must instead look inside themselves. So, while our nation collapses beneath totalitarianism, Desmet wants us, metaphorically, to lie on the couch and examine ourselves, while he makes pointed comments on our inner conflicts, needs, and, of course, our “conspiracy theories.” [end quote]
The origin of totalitarianism is indeed in adherence to a dominant ideology as Demsmet says, but what Desmet ignores is that the dominant ideology during High Covid was deliberately imposed on the people to cause the fear and anxiety that were the mass formation. Again as Breggin says:
Rather than birds flying beautifully in unison, as Desmet analogizes to explain mass formation, during COVID-19, many people have become more like a flock of goldfinches huddled silently together in the bushes hiding from the hawk circling above. When the hawk is gone, they come alive again and go about their cheery business. [end]
In short, the mass formation was induced through massive censorship and propaganda. Since these are the true origins of totalitarianism, we'd do well to focus on turning back the censorship machine that functions by forcing us to look at one narrative only.
And what about the threats, the violence and intimidations from the 'super police departments', the exclusions, the name calling for the questioning people, the exclusions to public life, the concentration camps...?
Absolutely fascinating conversation!!!! I've been listening to Dr. Desmet for a long while now, but he always surprises me with new insights I'd not heard before.
Desmet has many wonderful insights that apply to individuals in their quest to become more attuned to nature and to each other.
However, his ideas have no application to a free society, whose main fight isn't against lack of resonance but against censorship and propaganda. To fight these we need critical thinking and good-will.
Notice that Desmet says little about censorship, yet censorship is the great danger we face. Censorship of speech, of science, of bank accounts, of movement, etc.
I agree with you, Jim, and why is it that people only talk about the division, but hardly about the connection we can make? For instance, music. Music with the right frequencies? Classical music to start with. Watch this: in a totally different culture. It brings you to real tears from deep within the heart, to see how people unite in a heartbeat. In many cultures music is forbidden. One can wonder WHY. This is André Rieu (from the Netherlands). It goes very deep! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcSYIoTzHBU&ab_channel=Andr%C3%A9Rieu
I have to respectfully disagree with Professor Desmet.
In his example of the watch, such a device doesn't disconnect us from nature as he alleges. Devising a watch in fact engages us with our fundamental nature of working with and understanding the physical world and building from that. We might as well say that constructing a piano disconnects us from nature and in Desmet's view this might be correct, but the experience of the great piano works and the act of playing such an instrument gives the lie to the theory of mechanical disconnection. Such an act in fact expands human feeling and connectivity.
We are not a disconnected people, and were not prior to Covid. Being with each other, socializing, is part of our nature and this happens despite technology supposedly standing in the way of our grounding in reality and being with others. All of us saw this prior to the world of High Covid, and we see it now that the Covid restrictions have largely passed and we're back to normal.
I think Desmet is seriously misleading and presents us with a false ontology as to the actual nature of humans vis a vis technology and rationality.
Mass formation during Covid was induced by vicious and relentless 24/7 propaganda and censorship. It didn't spontaneously arise from any anxiety present prior to Covid, although of course a certain portion of the population will always be anxious and lonely, and this has likely been true for millennia. The Covid anxiety and fear were deliberately induced-- that was the plan-- and, as many have noticed, this planning was years in the making. A conspiracy. A truly rational and balanced governmental health care establishment would've acted with prudence and care to keep the social fabric intact instead of inducing it to panic, and it would've sought and promoted discoveries relating to early treatment for Covid instead of ruthlessly suppressing them.
This notion of conspiracy contradicts Desmet's theory, in which he very clearly states in chapter 8 of his book that there was no conspiracy during Covid, only the appearance of one. Really? To have the world coordinated in lockstep fashion and heavily pressured to obey, that was no conspiracy? Only a "manipulation," as Desmet says, but a manipulation planned years in advance?
A rose by any other name is still a rose.
I think it's possible to reconcile the existence of a conspiracy with Desmet's theory. My understanding of Chapter 8 was that mass formation does not require a conspiracy to instantiate, however, this does not mean that a conspiracy cannot exist alongside mass formation. Desmet may personally not believe in a conspiracy but we can still apply his theory while acknowledging a conspiracy exists.
Some of the conspirators may understand mass formation and use it to their advantage.
I think Desmet clearly makes the case that the steering, the manipulation, during High Covid was impersonal in nature-- he says this on page 131 of his book. Thus, the appearance of conspiracy is like the Sierpinski triangle he introduces: appearing deliberate but proceeding mechanistically. So any "conspiracy" is merely the manifestation of the dominant ideology of the time-- a type of Sierpinski triangle-- which Desmet asserts is the ideology of a mechanistic worldview.
The many objections to Desmet's theory stem from him placing the blame for the mass formation during Covid on the mechanistic tendency of the people themselves, who yearned for a master to lead them and wanted to believe the most fearful messages. This is exactly what his book asserts. This is absurd. What really happened was 24/7 fear porn was deliberately leveled at us in order to, yes, induce a mass formation. People see the mass formation and therefore believe that Desmet must be right, but when he butchers the true cause of that formation-- that it was indeed the result of a deliberate conspiracy likely decades-long in the planning and built on a sophisticated understanding of how to induce mass formation-- then we have to wonder what Desmet's project really is.
Tyrants use fear to control. That's what happened during Covid. Mass formation was generated by the tyrants and to say that it formed spontaneously through our own propensities to mechanistic thinking is to miss what would've happened if the authorities had counseled us to stay calm and carry on, if 24/7 fear porn hadn't been promoted by the government and the media, and if early treatment for Covid hadn't been viciously and ruthlessly suppressed (by lockstep government and medical authorities.) Then we would've carried on calmly and taken some cares, but the mass hysteria wouldn't have arisen and neither would the Covid police state-- probably the real goal of the operation--have taken hold. Instead, we lost our minds, yes, because they wanted us to lose our minds and conspired to make this happen. They did this for an obvious reason: as Klaus Schwab makes clear in his book ("Covid 19: the Great Reset") they were hoping that Covid would inspire a Great Reset and things would never get back to normal and we'd be party to a permanent medical police state.
We were deliberately manipulated. It was a conspiracy of the highest order, and Desmet's program is to pretend this never happened.
We've been disconnecting more and more for the last 7000-8000 years since we invented civilisation. Not one of our inventions have improved our lives on life on Earth generally. In fact, we have decimated nearly all other lives on this planet.
Before civilisation was invented by the growing elites, humans lived in groups, ate in groups, groomed in groups, slept in groups, sexed in groups, played in groups, and raised offspring in groups.
Civilisation was the greatest divisive force in history, forcing men and women in one-on-pairings, as if we were crows, ending evolution, ending our connection to nature.
This is our palaeontological history.
People can claim to love modernity and civilisation, that's your prerogative, but let's not confuse this POV with history and evolution.
I see very many people who seek connections with nature and with each other.
You just put your finger on the problem. People seeking. We're evolved to live as groups, not to be out there "seeking" connections.
I agree with you. Mass hysteria was stirred up by the media spewing propaganda 24/7 - remember the number of cases tracked at the bottom of the screen? Health authorities, scientist, doctors and politicians in a coordinated fashion bombarded us about the success story of the "safe and effective" vaccine, how it stops the spread and how you would never get covid, that the unvaccinated people are the one that spread the virus, die and of course, responsible for all of the deaths, including your grandma's. None of it was true as we, dissidents knew. And even when finally every bit of lie got proven to be a lie through gradual revelations that came via freedom of information records, or even by the pharma executive who revealed that there was no testing whether the vaccine prevent the spread of infection, or Fauci revealing that he was actually not in support of the lockdowns and so on. Yet, there has been no recourse, no corrective actions, and no apologies by the government, but rather they doubled down more on the insanity, as of they were right along the way. Now it's a fact that the so called vaccine does not stop the spread of covid, or prevents you getting covid, yet you are still required to get it in order to go to college. Only on this basis, it should not be required to take by anyone! But, no one seems to care, as if this was not important matter.
Finally, I am convinced that the majority of the people (60-70%) were fully aware of the lies and irrationality, but as a way of self preservation decided to keep their mouth closed. People generally understand what mass formation do, finding and eliminating the scapegoats.
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Unfortunately I turned off the interview about 10 minutes in . It got too textbook theorizing for me . I wanted constant references to our current reality following the pandemic and how totalitarianism has now arisen everywhere and how to fight it. Not this.
Fight it by fighting against censorship. Censorship is how totalitarianism arises.
I hope you might try to listen again... It laid out some groundwork which applies to any situation ...with reference to some covidian stuff... but it went beyond that...
The final discussion about how and what needs to be in place in order that mass formation does not happen again are deeply important.
What a thoroughly enjoyable interview. I have noticed throughout my life mass formation. The iconoclast either becomes a target of disdain or admired for having the strength to go against collective thinking. Prime example is the bully in the school yard. Covid has become very divisive, “we’re in this together,” only worked for those that adhered to the narrative. I did at the beginning until I became vaccine injured. At first I felt extremely lonely and isolated from the rest of society. It was an awful feeling compounded by my social and outgoing nature. I have so much disappointment and anger at myself for going along with the narrative and leaving my critical thinking somewhere other than my brain. Fear and the promise of ending the pandemic after two shots propelled me to willingly comply, which was a known big lie. The whole manipulation is evident to me now and can’t believe I didn’t see through it. But, the propaganda was so thorough. Any scientist or doctor who spoke out got demonized in print and t.v. Even before the shots they were priming us about the antivaxxers coming out in droves. I’m angry and sickened by the whole thing. I’m aware now and don’t trust anything I see or read. The misinformation and manipulation about the origins and the continued lauding of the safe and effective vaccines, the obvious corruption has damaged me deeply. I have no trust in our institutions.
Then now you perhaps understand that censorship and propaganda are the roots of totalitarianism? And that this has nothing to do with the supposed mechanistic thinking of the lonely population?
Why is Desmet promoting his theory, and why are people promoting Desmet? Perhaps we need to gear our critical thinking to another level?
God bless.
Great podcast!!! I read Dr Jay B’s Great Barrington Declaration early on and watched doctors get cancelled for pushing alternative narratives and treatments. They couldn’t let doctors use (and show success from) Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin… because vax couldn’t get EUA approval if there was an effective treatment (Red flag!). They weren’t allowed to have a scientific discussion. (Red flag!) Covid death numbers were inflated (Red flag!) by including deaths “with” covid. I told friends (including a nurse friend who shunned me) that the lockdown would be WORSE than the virus. I only wore a mask on an airplane and for a doctor’s appointment (because you had to) and had one made that said “it’s not about safety; it’s about control”. Otherwise didn’t wear one in the free state of Florida. (Refused to go in stores where it was required; most had signs to wear mask but didn’t enforce it. Avoided eye contact with the mask shamers ) I felt masks were dehumanizing and they didn’t work. I didn’t get vax’d. But worry for my college kid who had to get them. Such a horrible time in our history and we must never allow it to be repeated. Folks you have to push back and refuse to comply next time.
Isn’t it ironic that many think religions are bad because powerful people can use religion to control others, in contrast with science that is supposedly rational, logical and pure? But science is a human construct, not an independent or benevolent God, and is just as useful as religion in being manipulated for good or for ill. (So is artificial intelligence.) Humans are all biased and I believe human-made reasoning devices cannot be completely rational. We are not as enlightened as we imagine and we do not really ‘follow science’ today as Ioannides’ replication crisis reveals and most do not want to recognize.
I do think many people have gotten boxed into their TVs, computers and cell phones which are superficial and limited realities. The world is not 2D and involves using 5 real senses and not just two, and we use intuition as well as logic. When you have to talk and interact with people who don’t think like you do regularly, you cannot help but be changed, whether or not you want to be. When you aren’t challenged, all you get is reinforcement of whatever beliefs you are looking to reinforce. You won’t even know that you are living in a world of false reality; a limited world that is just too comfortable to leave. Stay there too long and you get really angry when you encounter variant thought. It’s one thing to communicate with others of like mind to help refine your thoughts and another thing entirely to think that you know everything about everything and never expose yourself to any thoughts different than your own. And yet another level to censor others’ thoughts.
Thank you Desmet. Heard you early on in the plandemic when they attempted to make us less human, trying to convince people that we are without a soul. I am immensely grateful for you. Rational, reasonable and intelligent.
55:00 The mass formation is not over. Masks are still mandatory in most health facilities, shots are still mandatory at many public institutions.
Thank you, Prof. Bhattacharya and especially Prof. Desmet for such a comprehensive explanation of the perils of the Mechanistic Worldview and of Mass Formation.
To respectfully push back against the comments made regarding the incentives faced by Tony Fauci (~minute 50:00), while it can be fully true that Fauci fully believed he acted on the side of good, that explanation of his behavior doesn't cover all plausible scenarios.
I make a distinction on faced incentives regarding those who repeatedly adopt the wrong side of an argument -- who willfully remain in error. Some of them are brainwashed, some are bullied into play-acting, some are bribed, some are black-mailed, and some are just plain evil (they actually want what is wrong for others).
1:11:00 Come one guys, please admit this: Faith in god is THE biggest mass formation humans have ever seen.
Yes, no doubt about so.
It is amazing that so early on, we had the disposable time to cook up religare and religion.
And now in a supposed more civilised state mostly cannot emerge.
#Evolutionary_emergence has been wiped off along with the decimation of #zerocrime villages/towns. Incidentally, alongst with fall of #SpiceTradeAsia region.
Sense the build up to Minute 20 of:-
https://youtu.be/NuZujx-LMfg
There are countless degrees of increasing conscious clarity and Truth/Reality awakening & awareness to be realized, and merged with, in each and every one's individualized process of conscious awakening.
IMMERSED IN THIS EXPANSIVELY VAST WIDE OPEN INDIVISIBLE WHOLE-Y UNIVERSAL CONSCIOUSNESS/AWARENESS REALITY --- as contrasted against cramped, provincial subjective egocentric personalized partisan or sectarian ideological viewpoints and perspectives --- IS the essence'l nature of Reality and of all the constituent fractal aspects, reflections, expressions, and manifestations appearing within the whole of omni-conscious Reality, THIS I AM, and there is naught other than THIS ONE HERE, EVER•HERE•NOW CONSCIOUSNESS.
What in heavenly Reality does this block of words imply, signify, or point to? It signifies that our primary, true and timeless identity is THIS ONE CONSCIOUSNESS! THIS is our timeless/birthless-deathless Real identity --- infinitely more vast than the apparently limited humanoid form of our current earthly identification --- and which is stainlessly PURE, empty, open, utterly free and devoid of limit, boundary, or separation. THIS IS THE WHOLE-Y UNICITY/ONENESS REALITY which confounds and eludes the grasp and scope of the separative ego's comprehension.
Many of you/I/we are already at least to some degree aware, if not perfectly aware, of the Reality of THIS Ever•Here•Now Whole-y Unicity to which is here in referred, and in which we are inseparably aswim. Others are perhaps not yet highly experientially attuned to this infinite, innate, ever-present, all-pervasive nature of THIS REAL UNICITY REALITY. But this is the nature of the clearest contemporary conclusions gained from cutting-edge experimentation by quantum physicists, i.e., ALL IS ONE; there is no separation in time/space. That illusory sense of separation in time and space is merely the faulty perceptual projection of the unawakened, separative sense of identification with the individualized humanoid ego-mind-body construct.
The Reality is timeless/perpetual Unicity/Oneness, beyond the limitation-and-fear-inducing belief in separation. WE ARE NOT OTHER THAN, NOR APART FROM, THE DIVINE CONSCIOUSNESS.
All debates regarding the existence or non-existence of "God" are, unfortunately, terrible wastes of time, arising from unawakened separative juvenile perceptions arising from the innately divisive implications & ramifications of any belief that separative word-symbols and word definitions can accurately reflect the timeless wholeyness of THIS INFINITE IMPLICATE ISNESS, certainly Wholey divine, which we all already always are, IN HIGHEST PUREST REALITY.
Another way to express this in words: There exists nothing outside of the whole-y One Reality, Divine omni-consciousness; THIS is our own true pure divine/whole identity, ever incorruptible, indiminishable (except as modified by our own volitionally programmed present-moment BS/Belief Structure), and imperishable. Yes, you may congratulate yourself for having come this far in your awakened Self-realization from entrapment in the separative, materialist matrix illusion.
And people say Christianity and the Bible are full of mumbo-jumbo??
Even a child can understand it. But I'm not sure they'd understand your convoluted, very wordy, "religion".
Just saying... kindly.
This is a must read on Desmet by a Dr. Breggin. I had the same thoughts whne readiing Desmet's book:
https://breggin.com/article-detail/post_detail/Mattias-Desmet-Mass-Hypnosis-Expert-or-Trojan-Horse-The-Full-Story
As Breggin says:
Desmet believes all the scholars, journalists, scientists, and other people who are, in fact, unearthing and documenting conspiracies behind COVID-19 are suffering from a variant of mass formation or mass hypnosis. They are emotionally disturbed — intensely “anxious,” “confused,” and “bewildered.” Out of their personal psychological “needs,” they make up simple-minded conspiracy theories in order to focus on something outside themselves. They must instead look inside themselves. So, while our nation collapses beneath totalitarianism, Desmet wants us, metaphorically, to lie on the couch and examine ourselves, while he makes pointed comments on our inner conflicts, needs, and, of course, our “conspiracy theories.” [end quote]
The origin of totalitarianism is indeed in adherence to a dominant ideology as Demsmet says, but what Desmet ignores is that the dominant ideology during High Covid was deliberately imposed on the people to cause the fear and anxiety that were the mass formation. Again as Breggin says:
Rather than birds flying beautifully in unison, as Desmet analogizes to explain mass formation, during COVID-19, many people have become more like a flock of goldfinches huddled silently together in the bushes hiding from the hawk circling above. When the hawk is gone, they come alive again and go about their cheery business. [end]
In short, the mass formation was induced through massive censorship and propaganda. Since these are the true origins of totalitarianism, we'd do well to focus on turning back the censorship machine that functions by forcing us to look at one narrative only.
And what about the threats, the violence and intimidations from the 'super police departments', the exclusions, the name calling for the questioning people, the exclusions to public life, the concentration camps...?
I've read his book 3 times. It's incredibly brilliant
Read it again, take notes, and notice the contradictions. Ask yourself if what Desmet says about people is really how people are.
Desmet creates a false ontology to make his theory work.
We need to say out loud, “ There are two sides to every story”.
Absolutely fascinating conversation!!!! I've been listening to Dr. Desmet for a long while now, but he always surprises me with new insights I'd not heard before.
Desmet has many wonderful insights that apply to individuals in their quest to become more attuned to nature and to each other.
However, his ideas have no application to a free society, whose main fight isn't against lack of resonance but against censorship and propaganda. To fight these we need critical thinking and good-will.
Notice that Desmet says little about censorship, yet censorship is the great danger we face. Censorship of speech, of science, of bank accounts, of movement, etc.
I agree with you, Jim, and why is it that people only talk about the division, but hardly about the connection we can make? For instance, music. Music with the right frequencies? Classical music to start with. Watch this: in a totally different culture. It brings you to real tears from deep within the heart, to see how people unite in a heartbeat. In many cultures music is forbidden. One can wonder WHY. This is André Rieu (from the Netherlands). It goes very deep! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcSYIoTzHBU&ab_channel=Andr%C3%A9Rieu
Full version in different languages: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOcqbbjuXCM&ab_channel=Andr%C3%A9Rieu
Truth and debate
I see where those mass formation folks went to their next scapegoat,Trump.
Yup
All major Iranian scientists that discovered modern mathematics, medicine , physics and chemistry were poets, mystics and spiritual people.
Is it possible to have the subtitles file (.srt) so that I can make french subtitles for this video ?