If she happens to read the comments here, I just want her to know that she is seen. She conducted herself with absolute integrity and I’m so grateful to her for standing tall. Don’t let the bastards get you down, Doc. The truth is the only way.
As a physician who prescribed ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine throughout the pandemic, I can attest to the voracious appetite of the College’s condemnation and vilification of anybody who veers away from the health public agency recommendations. But this kind of abuse of power by the regulatory colleges has been going on for decades, if not centuries in Canada. It has just been made more obvious by the pandemic. One can only attribute this movement away from science and towards ideology as an extraordinary abuse power with heavy influence from the pharmaceutical companies that literally control politicians, scientists, and regulatory colleges, as well as an attitude of self-aggrandizement and hubris, together with an inherent and embedded tendency of the CPSO to bully and harass. This is supported by the law unfortunately. The Regulated Health Practitioners Act in Ontario and many other provinces is an invitation for regulatory boards to abuse their power, vested in them by the Act, partly because of the complete absence of accountability and oversight within the act. My heart goes out to Doctor Gill. She is one of dozens of physicians who have been censored and censured during the pandemic because their views are different. It’s a disgrace to the medical profession and democracy that regulatory colleges have so much power and lack of accountability. Edward Leyton MD
In my humble opinion, I believe big pharma funds all health agencies worldwide. Of course that comes at a cost. Pharma is too much power, wealth and influence. It’s much easier to allow pharma to pay some bills but at a loss of autonomy.
There is censorship going on in other countries too. Do you think Canada is particularly bad? If so, I wonder if there’s anything we the people can do to change it. Writing a letter to my MP isn’t going to cut it.
Yes I think Canada is particularly bad BEcause of the RHPA. You can try writing to the CPSO Registrar Dr. Nancy Whitmore; although I wouldn’t expect a reply. Maybe if you ask a specific question she might answer. Here is what I said at my recent ‘caution’ meeting, regarding my ‘non-cooperation’ with their investigation!. Feel free to use any of the ideas from there.
“ In the early days of the pandemic – the Spring of 2020 - I reinstated my license with the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario in order to help with the incipient pandemic of COVID 19. The CPSO welcomed me, and in fact gave me a free license for the year. My intention was to use my considerable psychotherapy skills to help with the so prevalent stress and fear associated with the ongoing pandemic. For the first year I used those skills, effectively in my opinion, to help both professionals (medical and otherwise), as well as general patients to cope with pandemic related anxiety.
In the Spring of 2021 it became clear to me, and many in the profession, that early treatment and prevention of COVID 19 was lacking. It appeared, and was later confirmed, that the vaccines were not preventing transmission of the illness or providing lasting immunity. Ivermectin came to my attention. I and many other colleagues carefully researched this treatment and found it to be an acceptable, legal, modality for effective early treatment and prevention of the virus.
At our clinic we proceeded to use this approach, amongst others, with enormous success. To my dismay, but not surprise perhaps, while investigating another physician in Toronto, the CPSO presumably came across my name as a member of the Canadian COVID Telehealth Clinic. Seventh months after that you launched a Section 75 investigation into my practice – in which you rather inadvisedly assumed you could investigate my whole practice, and not just your concerns about my prescriptions of ivermectin/hydroxychloroquine as part of your investigation . As my lawyer pointed out at the time you provided no reasonable and probable grounds, as there were no complaints. I had practiced for 40 years without a blemish.Given the CPSO demands I carefully considered my fiduciary responsibility to my patients, to keep their records safe from prying eyes, by initially refusing to provide the records you had asked for, and then after some consideration to provide only records with all identifying features removed thus protecting patient privacy and confidentiality. The College refused to accept this response and launched a second investigation for non-cooperation - for which you are cautioning me today..There is no logic to this. In the first place the initial investigation is invalid because at the very least the guidance given by the College with regard to ivermectin was just that – guidance through the guidelines on its website. Nowhere is it a recognizable standard of practice to prohibit the use of Ivermectin for Covid 19 treatment. Health Canada only deems it ‘not recommended’. It seems strangely illogical that physicians are able to prescribe prazosin for nightmares, gabapentin for pain, and Ozempic for weight loss when none of these is authorized by Health Canada for those conditions, and yet you do not take away physician licenses for using them because they are ‘off-label’. Every physician in this country has the right, and indeed the professional obligation, to consider and prescribe off label treatments. Why should ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine be any different one might ask? It certainly is not because of harm. Ivermectin has been acknowledged as one of the safest medications available by both the CDC and the WHO. It has been in use without harm for decades.
Also illogical is the requirement by the College to provide patient names for their investigation. No reasonable explanation has been given to me for that request. So I provided the disidentified records as a reasonable compromise. I also cooperated with an inspection by a Family Physician who had never treated COVID with Ivermectin. Her conclusions were so fraught with biases and illogical conclusions (i.e. no demonstrable harm to patients) that her report was actually easily refutable. No opportunity was given for me to do this however.
It is my understanding that the College has either censured or actually removed the licenses of at least a dozen physicians over the course of the pandemic, leaving literally thousands of patients without a physician at a time when the country most needs them. These are physicians who are thoughtful, considerate, and careful in their treatments of patients, but whose careers have been cut short by the arrogant and bullheaded nature of College investigations which are clearly based on the premise of "guilty until proven innocent", a premise which is abhorrent in our free and democratic society.
You have cautioned me, but I say to you that perhaps the caution needs to be on the other foot. Perhaps it is the CPSO that needs to be cautioned. Although the CPSO may have the power through the RHPA to do many of the things that it does in regards to investigations, being legal does not make it right, honorable, or ethical. In fact the behavior of the CPSO is so egregious and dishonorable – to use your own terms – that it needs to take a serious look at its approach. The pandemic has really highlighted the hubris of College attitude. It's ironic to me that one of the reasons that the present Registrar, Dr. Nancy Whitmore, was hired was for her so-called "Right Touch Regulation". Originating in the United Kingdom this groundbreaking philosophy provides context and perspective for a new approach to a governing body’s regulation of its membership. It was created in response to worldwide over-regulation by governing body’s that saw investigation and punishment mount to intolerable levels. It has been adopted by many professional bodies worldwide, but not by the CPSO apparently, despite being touted by Dr. Whitmore.
So I caution the CPSO to change its attitude. Consider following the principles of Right Touch Regulation in spirit and actuality. Stop hounding ethical-practising physicians and cutting their careers short. That's a disgrace, and it has to stop.”
Not nearly to the same extent. At least, where I live there have been no doctors that lost their license that I have heard of, and there are a couple of physicians talking publicly (5 mil population). In fact, there is a law that makes it an offence for a person to be punished in any way for talking out while working for the govt. There is also a law making it illegal to refuse cash, though no doubt that will come under fire. They also hardly mention the jabs anymore, certainly no push, and it has not been possible to jab kids for years (it went on for a few months).
Not sayin' we won't end in the same place if we don't rise up, and quick.
Suppression via debate vs edict is the time-honored tradition, a most palatable and satisfying method for quashing charlatans. It lays naked the false and exonerates the righteous, thereby obviating the need to curse and slander.
My PCP refused to prescribe Ivermectin to me despite several requests and my providing him with Alt Media facts. He is a teaching Physician as well and I have chosen to remain his patient so that I can continue to respectfully provide him the truth not allowed by Bid Pharma and their bought and paid for Corporate Media and the stories of brave doctors like Dr. Gill.
Very much enjoying this podcast series Jay - this was a really hard story to watch. In New Zealand most academics or medical professionals didn't publicly disagree (privately was far different) with the government's response - but 1 epidemiologist at the University of Auckland, Simon Thornley, did forming his version of the GBD over here called Plan B as an alternative to lockdowns etc. There were a couple of brutal MSM takedowns of him and then he mostly disappeared from view and I've always wondered what happened, could you invite him to do a podcast?
I wanted to add: In 2021 the NZ Skeptics awarded Thornley their ‘bent spoon’ award for what they called his lack of critical thinking, along with having the gall to oppose lockdowns and sign the GBD. I've detailed some of this in a post on the analysis behind the decision to pursue the elimination strategy etc in NZ: https://nzcovidresponse.substack.com/p/the-lack-of-analysis-on-lockdown
Well yet another doctor has been hauled up in front of the CPSO board for failing to follow the rules. Dr. Miklos Matyas, head and neck surgeon in Ottawa. He appealed to the Health Professions Appeal and Review Board but lost there too. He wants to know who authored the official narrative and says that “promoting censorship of dissenting expert clinicians in a rapidly evolving public health crisis is not in the public’s interest.” What is laughable is he has to enrol in a remedial ethics course. The censorship about anything covid isn’t just happening here in Canada, it’s happening all over the world. Doctors, scientists and judges are all afraid to speak up. This is insane. I want to know who or what is creating this smearing of doctor’s reputations if they speak out against the narrative. Who is directing this show????
Ps I am not one of the Witnesses for Jehovah. but I do think there has been a great advantage in learning what they have been declaring and teaching for many decades. to those with willing hearts and open minds that have paid attention.
Rav, I just read a story you wrote a year ago where you document all the rejections you got from editors who used to publish your freelance journalism.
I thought you might be interested in my identical experience:
One of the bravest doctors in Canada is fighting for the poor, and for the truth: she deserves our support with her legal costs as she is being taken to the cleaners by the Canadian Establishment.
Dr. Gill has unbelievable courage, ethics, and a solid moral compass. I started following her on Twitter during the planned demic and have tremendous respect for her. Most Canadian doctors chose to remain silent and forgot they took an oath to do no harm. The Canada I grew up in no longer exists.
So much happened that flew in the face of logic almost right from the beginning. The situation was exploited to benefit various agendas not in the public’s interest. Canada’s system is corrupted, and the rot comes from the top.
Been following Dr. Gill throughout. She's indeed a hero. Her Tweets were always rooted in facts and evidence.
Canada's 'media' and judicial system are a complete farce. It's been quite shocking to learn my country is a complete corrupted fraud. There have been NO legal victories in the higher courts. The lower courts seem to be willing to actually read the evidence but as it goes to higher levels, it hits a massive authoritarian wall. Indeed, the judges seem to be ruling by what they read in the 'news'.
Canada is not trending in the right direction at all. But we must keep fighting. We need to somehow break through 'judicial notice'. Daunting given that the majority of judges are basically left-wing and accepted the government's wholly questionable COVID response not rooted in scientific or rational fact.
Would have been nice to know just who these 'powerful forces' were behind outing her.
Good luck to Dr. Gill. She will be vindicated in the end but the price will be high.
If she happens to read the comments here, I just want her to know that she is seen. She conducted herself with absolute integrity and I’m so grateful to her for standing tall. Don’t let the bastards get you down, Doc. The truth is the only way.
Truth? Just because you’re no longer in school doesn’t mean you aren’t LD.
As a physician who prescribed ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine throughout the pandemic, I can attest to the voracious appetite of the College’s condemnation and vilification of anybody who veers away from the health public agency recommendations. But this kind of abuse of power by the regulatory colleges has been going on for decades, if not centuries in Canada. It has just been made more obvious by the pandemic. One can only attribute this movement away from science and towards ideology as an extraordinary abuse power with heavy influence from the pharmaceutical companies that literally control politicians, scientists, and regulatory colleges, as well as an attitude of self-aggrandizement and hubris, together with an inherent and embedded tendency of the CPSO to bully and harass. This is supported by the law unfortunately. The Regulated Health Practitioners Act in Ontario and many other provinces is an invitation for regulatory boards to abuse their power, vested in them by the Act, partly because of the complete absence of accountability and oversight within the act. My heart goes out to Doctor Gill. She is one of dozens of physicians who have been censored and censured during the pandemic because their views are different. It’s a disgrace to the medical profession and democracy that regulatory colleges have so much power and lack of accountability. Edward Leyton MD
In my humble opinion, I believe big pharma funds all health agencies worldwide. Of course that comes at a cost. Pharma is too much power, wealth and influence. It’s much easier to allow pharma to pay some bills but at a loss of autonomy.
There is censorship going on in other countries too. Do you think Canada is particularly bad? If so, I wonder if there’s anything we the people can do to change it. Writing a letter to my MP isn’t going to cut it.
Yes I think Canada is particularly bad BEcause of the RHPA. You can try writing to the CPSO Registrar Dr. Nancy Whitmore; although I wouldn’t expect a reply. Maybe if you ask a specific question she might answer. Here is what I said at my recent ‘caution’ meeting, regarding my ‘non-cooperation’ with their investigation!. Feel free to use any of the ideas from there.
“ In the early days of the pandemic – the Spring of 2020 - I reinstated my license with the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario in order to help with the incipient pandemic of COVID 19. The CPSO welcomed me, and in fact gave me a free license for the year. My intention was to use my considerable psychotherapy skills to help with the so prevalent stress and fear associated with the ongoing pandemic. For the first year I used those skills, effectively in my opinion, to help both professionals (medical and otherwise), as well as general patients to cope with pandemic related anxiety.
In the Spring of 2021 it became clear to me, and many in the profession, that early treatment and prevention of COVID 19 was lacking. It appeared, and was later confirmed, that the vaccines were not preventing transmission of the illness or providing lasting immunity. Ivermectin came to my attention. I and many other colleagues carefully researched this treatment and found it to be an acceptable, legal, modality for effective early treatment and prevention of the virus.
At our clinic we proceeded to use this approach, amongst others, with enormous success. To my dismay, but not surprise perhaps, while investigating another physician in Toronto, the CPSO presumably came across my name as a member of the Canadian COVID Telehealth Clinic. Seventh months after that you launched a Section 75 investigation into my practice – in which you rather inadvisedly assumed you could investigate my whole practice, and not just your concerns about my prescriptions of ivermectin/hydroxychloroquine as part of your investigation . As my lawyer pointed out at the time you provided no reasonable and probable grounds, as there were no complaints. I had practiced for 40 years without a blemish.Given the CPSO demands I carefully considered my fiduciary responsibility to my patients, to keep their records safe from prying eyes, by initially refusing to provide the records you had asked for, and then after some consideration to provide only records with all identifying features removed thus protecting patient privacy and confidentiality. The College refused to accept this response and launched a second investigation for non-cooperation - for which you are cautioning me today..There is no logic to this. In the first place the initial investigation is invalid because at the very least the guidance given by the College with regard to ivermectin was just that – guidance through the guidelines on its website. Nowhere is it a recognizable standard of practice to prohibit the use of Ivermectin for Covid 19 treatment. Health Canada only deems it ‘not recommended’. It seems strangely illogical that physicians are able to prescribe prazosin for nightmares, gabapentin for pain, and Ozempic for weight loss when none of these is authorized by Health Canada for those conditions, and yet you do not take away physician licenses for using them because they are ‘off-label’. Every physician in this country has the right, and indeed the professional obligation, to consider and prescribe off label treatments. Why should ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine be any different one might ask? It certainly is not because of harm. Ivermectin has been acknowledged as one of the safest medications available by both the CDC and the WHO. It has been in use without harm for decades.
Also illogical is the requirement by the College to provide patient names for their investigation. No reasonable explanation has been given to me for that request. So I provided the disidentified records as a reasonable compromise. I also cooperated with an inspection by a Family Physician who had never treated COVID with Ivermectin. Her conclusions were so fraught with biases and illogical conclusions (i.e. no demonstrable harm to patients) that her report was actually easily refutable. No opportunity was given for me to do this however.
It is my understanding that the College has either censured or actually removed the licenses of at least a dozen physicians over the course of the pandemic, leaving literally thousands of patients without a physician at a time when the country most needs them. These are physicians who are thoughtful, considerate, and careful in their treatments of patients, but whose careers have been cut short by the arrogant and bullheaded nature of College investigations which are clearly based on the premise of "guilty until proven innocent", a premise which is abhorrent in our free and democratic society.
You have cautioned me, but I say to you that perhaps the caution needs to be on the other foot. Perhaps it is the CPSO that needs to be cautioned. Although the CPSO may have the power through the RHPA to do many of the things that it does in regards to investigations, being legal does not make it right, honorable, or ethical. In fact the behavior of the CPSO is so egregious and dishonorable – to use your own terms – that it needs to take a serious look at its approach. The pandemic has really highlighted the hubris of College attitude. It's ironic to me that one of the reasons that the present Registrar, Dr. Nancy Whitmore, was hired was for her so-called "Right Touch Regulation". Originating in the United Kingdom this groundbreaking philosophy provides context and perspective for a new approach to a governing body’s regulation of its membership. It was created in response to worldwide over-regulation by governing body’s that saw investigation and punishment mount to intolerable levels. It has been adopted by many professional bodies worldwide, but not by the CPSO apparently, despite being touted by Dr. Whitmore.
So I caution the CPSO to change its attitude. Consider following the principles of Right Touch Regulation in spirit and actuality. Stop hounding ethical-practising physicians and cutting their careers short. That's a disgrace, and it has to stop.”
Not nearly to the same extent. At least, where I live there have been no doctors that lost their license that I have heard of, and there are a couple of physicians talking publicly (5 mil population). In fact, there is a law that makes it an offence for a person to be punished in any way for talking out while working for the govt. There is also a law making it illegal to refuse cash, though no doubt that will come under fire. They also hardly mention the jabs anymore, certainly no push, and it has not been possible to jab kids for years (it went on for a few months).
Not sayin' we won't end in the same place if we don't rise up, and quick.
where is that?
Write to them and say they have been weighed in the scales and found to be deficient.
Suppressing false information concerning public health sure as fuck isn’t censorship.
Suppression via debate vs edict is the time-honored tradition, a most palatable and satisfying method for quashing charlatans. It lays naked the false and exonerates the righteous, thereby obviating the need to curse and slander.
Your pseudo-intellectualism is showing.
I stand by my statement. Either directly address my replies, or don’t bother.
BTW Your reply is a magnificent self own! World class. LOL
My PCP refused to prescribe Ivermectin to me despite several requests and my providing him with Alt Media facts. He is a teaching Physician as well and I have chosen to remain his patient so that I can continue to respectfully provide him the truth not allowed by Bid Pharma and their bought and paid for Corporate Media and the stories of brave doctors like Dr. Gill.
This is how a peasant like me can fight back!
Donated 100. God bless this woman, I hope she takes down the corrupt canadian media, courts and establishment.
This courageous lady gets a seat at the table of the anti-covid rightous! Abide!
Very much enjoying this podcast series Jay - this was a really hard story to watch. In New Zealand most academics or medical professionals didn't publicly disagree (privately was far different) with the government's response - but 1 epidemiologist at the University of Auckland, Simon Thornley, did forming his version of the GBD over here called Plan B as an alternative to lockdowns etc. There were a couple of brutal MSM takedowns of him and then he mostly disappeared from view and I've always wondered what happened, could you invite him to do a podcast?
I wanted to add: In 2021 the NZ Skeptics awarded Thornley their ‘bent spoon’ award for what they called his lack of critical thinking, along with having the gall to oppose lockdowns and sign the GBD. I've detailed some of this in a post on the analysis behind the decision to pursue the elimination strategy etc in NZ: https://nzcovidresponse.substack.com/p/the-lack-of-analysis-on-lockdown
Well yet another doctor has been hauled up in front of the CPSO board for failing to follow the rules. Dr. Miklos Matyas, head and neck surgeon in Ottawa. He appealed to the Health Professions Appeal and Review Board but lost there too. He wants to know who authored the official narrative and says that “promoting censorship of dissenting expert clinicians in a rapidly evolving public health crisis is not in the public’s interest.” What is laughable is he has to enrol in a remedial ethics course. The censorship about anything covid isn’t just happening here in Canada, it’s happening all over the world. Doctors, scientists and judges are all afraid to speak up. This is insane. I want to know who or what is creating this smearing of doctor’s reputations if they speak out against the narrative. Who is directing this show????
W.H.O. is directing this show. lol
People within the CPSO who enjoy the power of controlling others and of course politicians who direct the CPSO input
You made me laugh.
and the Public health Agency of Canada as well as ‘Health’ Canada.
Health Canada is an oxymoron.
Who is directing this show? https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=2014327&srcid=share
Ps I am not one of the Witnesses for Jehovah. but I do think there has been a great advantage in learning what they have been declaring and teaching for many decades. to those with willing hearts and open minds that have paid attention.
Jay, thanks for having Dr Kaur on. As you said in your interview, this is outrageous.
Also, thanks for putting the link in for her GoFundMe. I donated!
Is it possible for her to appeal?
Rav, I just read a story you wrote a year ago where you document all the rejections you got from editors who used to publish your freelance journalism.
I thought you might be interested in my identical experience:
https://www.uncoverdc.com/2020/07/13/covid-19-is-a-real-search-for-the-truth-now-taboo/
A must read!!!! Like I said….‘do they think we are idiots’?
I too heard of people getting ‘real’ sick in December here in Tucson…
One of the bravest doctors in Canada is fighting for the poor, and for the truth: she deserves our support with her legal costs as she is being taken to the cleaners by the Canadian Establishment.
An excellent example of a failing justice system in Canada.
Dr. Gill has unbelievable courage, ethics, and a solid moral compass. I started following her on Twitter during the planned demic and have tremendous respect for her. Most Canadian doctors chose to remain silent and forgot they took an oath to do no harm. The Canada I grew up in no longer exists.
So much happened that flew in the face of logic almost right from the beginning. The situation was exploited to benefit various agendas not in the public’s interest. Canada’s system is corrupted, and the rot comes from the top.
This puts me in High Rage!
Been following Dr. Gill throughout. She's indeed a hero. Her Tweets were always rooted in facts and evidence.
Canada's 'media' and judicial system are a complete farce. It's been quite shocking to learn my country is a complete corrupted fraud. There have been NO legal victories in the higher courts. The lower courts seem to be willing to actually read the evidence but as it goes to higher levels, it hits a massive authoritarian wall. Indeed, the judges seem to be ruling by what they read in the 'news'.
Canada is not trending in the right direction at all. But we must keep fighting. We need to somehow break through 'judicial notice'. Daunting given that the majority of judges are basically left-wing and accepted the government's wholly questionable COVID response not rooted in scientific or rational fact.
Would have been nice to know just who these 'powerful forces' were behind outing her.
Good luck to Dr. Gill. She will be vindicated in the end but the price will be high.
Canada. Hang you head in shame.
Reminds me of the Dr. Trozzi case with the CPSO
Also, Dr. Hoffe.