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Welcome, everybody, to The Illusion of Consensus podcast. I am Professor Jay Bhattacharya, and I am delighted to have here with me Lee Fang, who is an incredible investigative journalist, although he doesn't look it. He's been working as an investigative journalist for like, what, 15, 20 years, something like that?
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Yeah, a little over 15 years. Okay.
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Lee, I want the listeners to hear a little bit about your history, but you started out in doing investigative journalism from a political bent.

Episode 31: Lee Fang On Moderna's Disturbing Surveillance Of Dr. Jay Bhattacharya And Other Covid Dissidents

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Hi everyone,

This new episode of the podcast features investigative journalist Lee Fang discussing various topics related to the Illusion of Consensus in science, public health, and public policy. The conversation covers Twitter's covert campaign to influence messaging, the role of AI firm Logically AI in censoring activists and journalists, the suppression of research on pesticides, and Moderna's surveillance and censorship efforts. The discussion also includes Jay Bhattacharya's personal experience and perspective on these issues. The conversation explores the censorship and suppression of vaccine information, the lack of media coverage on critical topics, the conflict of interest in public health, the lack of transparency in financial relationships, astroturfing and marketing tactics, the blurring of the line between corporate PR and public health, trolls and online attacks, the mobilization of healthcare professionals, the lack of disclosure and transparency, the corruption of trust in healthcare institutions, and the crisis of trust.

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Lee Fang
Homeland Security Agency Cited Inaccurate Allegation to Censor New York Times Journalist
This investigation was reported in collaboration with RealClearInvestigations. A brief note to readers: I wanted to publish this latest Twitter Files story before tomorrow's congressional hearing. If you missed my last email, I will appear at the House Select Subcommittee on Weaponization tomorrow to discuss social media censorship, artificial intelligence, and free speech. Thank you to the editors at RCI for helping me fine-tune this reporting on a moment’s notice. The hearing begins on Tuesday, February 6th, at 10:00 am ET…
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Takeaways

  • Social media platforms like Twitter can be influenced by government and corporate interests, leading to the suppression of certain messages and the promotion of others.

  • AI firms like Logically AI can play a role in censoring activists, journalists, and public figures, shaping public opinion and potentially influencing elections.

  • The suppression of research and harassment of scientists is a common tactic used by industries to protect their products and profits.

  • Pharmaceutical companies like Moderna may engage in surveillance and censorship to control the narrative around their products, particularly when faced with declining demand. There is evidence of censorship and suppression of vaccine information, making it difficult to have open and honest discussions.

  • The lack of media coverage on critical topics related to vaccines and pharmaceutical companies is concerning.

  • There is a conflict of interest in public health, with pharmaceutical companies influencing information and decision-making.

  • Transparency in financial relationships between healthcare professionals and pharmaceutical companies is lacking.

  • Astroturfing and marketing tactics are used to promote vaccines and suppress dissenting voices.

  • The line between corporate PR and public health has become blurred, raising ethical concerns.

  • Trolls and online attacks are used to silence critics and control the narrative.

  • Healthcare professionals have been mobilized to promote vaccines, raising questions about their independence and objectivity.

  • There is a lack of disclosure and transparency in the relationships between pharmaceutical companies and healthcare professionals.

  • The erosion of trust in healthcare institutions is a significant problem.

  • Society is facing a crisis of trust in relation to vaccines and public health.

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

07:46 Twitter's Covert Campaign

18:16 Logically AI and Election Influence

26:13 Pesticides and Suppression of Research

39:35 Moderna's Surveillance and Censorship

46:16 Jay Bhattacharya's Experience and Perspective

47:57 Censorship and Suppression of Vaccine Information

49:09 Lack of Media Coverage

50:46 Conflict of Interest in Public Health

51:20 Lack of Transparency in Financial Relationships

52:41 Astroturfing and Marketing Tactics

53:31 Blurring the Line Between Corporate PR and Public Health

55:24 Trolls and Online Attacks

56:15 Mobilization of Healthcare Professionals

57:40 Lack of Disclosure and Transparency

58:05 Corruption of Trust in Healthcare Institutions

59:00 Crisis of Trust


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Discussion about this video

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Margaret Laub's avatar

Thank you Lee and Dr Bhattacharya for your continuing courage to defy the censors to get us real facts!

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Laura's avatar

It just keeps on going. See the recent How Fringe Anti-Science Views Infiltrated Mainstream Politics — And What It Means in 2024 - KFF Health News : a KFF Health News article posted January 29, 2024 that was reprinted in different national newspapers and outlets recently. Note the 7th paragraph misrepresentation of what the author states is “a statement early in the pandemic, grandly called the “Great Barrington Declaration”…” The article is supposedly about “a dangerous shift driven by a critical mass of people who now reject decades of science…” The article is actually about a lot of other things other than that while purporting to be an article in support of "science". It isn't science that people have lost trust in. People have lost trust in other people who claim to know everything under a false claim of absolutist "science" that seems to have little to do with searching for truth.

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Diana Barahona's avatar

"The erosion of trust in healthcare institutions is a significant problem."

"Society is facing a crisis of trust in relation to vaccines and public health."

I don't see people distrusting these institutions as a problem, much less a crisis.

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Vivien C Buckley's avatar

Dr. Bhattacharya, what a truly revealing insightful interview. It talked to me as I have lost all trust in our institutions which is a big deal. I know I’m not alone. I am vaccine injured after one shot of p. My erosion of trust started when searching peer reviewed research journals on vaccine injuries and was struck by every piece prefaced the journal with lauding the virtues of the vaccines before going into some detail about one of the many injuries. It was obvious kowtowing to big pharma. I began to become aware of the narrative “safe and effective follow the science” was used globally, it didn’t come from my Canadian government which I trusted. That raised my suspicions. Then came along the weaponized term “antivaxxers”, people were scapegoated for causing the pandemic to keep circulating instead of the truth about efficacy. Get the public riled up about them. The vaccine injured have been accused of being antivaxxers. It’s now become a neologism in our society. The public doesn’t realize they’ve been indoctrinated. Pharma has successfully created skepticism about vaccine injuries. The doctors, Professors, family court judges and scientists have all had their reputations smeared for speaking against the narrative. In Maryanne’s Demasi’s substack her interview with Scott Atlas who states when asked about the vaccines, “ I think politicians are afraid of hot button issues….I’m just saying that it’s a highly controversial subject and they’re probably reluctant to get into it.” Afraid of what?, I ask. What this says to me is pharma has enormous wealth, power and influence which is detrimental to our health care, and lives actually. After all, they’re not in the business of healthcare but obscene profits at any cost in a psychopathic way. Unfortunately there are always those willing to take big pharma’s payoffs. Trust? Trust needs to be earned not given.

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Run Freedom Run's avatar

I've been following you for a year, but now I see and hear YOUR story. Lee Fang, can I introduce you to my beautiful 34 year old daughter? No one else is good enough. I can actually understand the world, the "news" and TRUST your reporting. I don't know what's wrong with everyone else. Maybe I'm too picky. Your generation has the future of this country in its hands.

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Ursula Edgington, PhD's avatar

What a shame that Jay confesses he self-censors so he doesnt get cancelled. This is a big part of the problem, NOT the solution.

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JollyLittlePerson's avatar

Thank you for the fascinating interview. It feels like this is a giant jigsaw puzzle, and you and other Substack writers, and investigators, and healthcare professionals, and a few politicians are putting the pieces together. I think a complete picture is slowly emerging, but it is not pretty (for us ordinary people).

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Andrew Heard's avatar

I continue to appreciate your discussions and the podcast. I would still prefer an audio version on Substack. Many of the places that do this put in ads I have to skip. I would prefer not to give the ads the time of day. If you post an audio version, I don't have to do this.

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Lee, I want the listeners to hear a little bit about your history, but you started out in doing investigative journalism from a political bent.