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BOMBSHELL Episode 27: Alex Washburne - Vindicated On Lab Leak Theory In New FOIA Documents


Hi readers,

We’re incredibly excited to release this bombshell new episode of The Illusion of Consensus podcast. In light of the new FOIA documents (yesterday), biologist Alex Washburne has been essentially vindicated in his lab leak paper — which generated tremendous controversy last year.

In this episode, Professor Jay Bhattacharya and Alex Washburne discuss Alex's work with dangerous pathogens, his switch to studying COVID-19, and the discrepancy between public and private discussions on the origins of the pandemic.

Notably, Alex and Jay discuss the evidence of a reverse genetic system in SARS-CoV-2 and the implications of this finding. They explore the methodology of DNA cloning and the use of molecular scissors in the lab. They also address the pushback on the research and the need for public involvement in scientific discussions. The conversation concludes with a discussion on preventing future pandemics and the restructuring of the scientific enterprise.

— The Illusion of Consensus team


  • The COVID-19 pandemic arrived earlier than officially recognized, and there is evidence to suggest that the disease was more widespread than initially thought.

  • Scientists should be able to engage in open and respectful discussions about controversial topics without fear of personal attacks or career repercussions.

  • Gain of function research can provide valuable insights into the transmission and evolution of viruses, but it also raises ethical concerns and the potential for accidental release.

  • Understanding the origins of a pandemic is crucial for developing effective public health strategies and guiding future research. Reverse genetic systems and DNA cloning are used in the lab to manipulate viruses like SARS-CoV-2.

  • The evidence suggests that SARS-CoV-2 has characteristics consistent with a reverse genetic system.

  • The pandemic has caused devastating consequences, including loss of life, economic damage, and erosion of public trust.

  • There is a need for public involvement in scientific discussions and decision-making.

  • The scientific enterprise should be restructured to ensure transparency, accountability, and the avoidance of dangerous research.

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00:00 Introduction and Background

06:18 Work with Dangerous Pathogens

13:20 Switching Research Focus to COVID-19

19:12 Debate on the Start of the Pandemic

29:14 Discrepancy between Public and Private Discussions

37:28 Debate on Gain of Function Research

45:02 DARPA Preempt Work and Gain-of-Function Research

47:43 Pause on NIH Support for Gain-of-Function Work

49:36 Change in Definition and Funding of Gain-of-Function Research

53:31 EcoHealth Alliance's Proposal to DARPA

55:27 Furin Cleavage Site and Receptor Binding

58:13 Proximal Origins Paper and Lab Origin Theories

01:14:37 Secret Call and Shifting Perspectives

01:17:40 Lancet Letter and Conflicts of Interest

01:25:05 Lancet Commission and Investigation

01:26:48 Molecular Biology and Engineered Virus

01:26:54 Reverse Genetic Systems and DNA Cloning

01:33:20 Evidence of Reverse Genetic System in SARS-CoV-2

01:37:22 Steelman Pushback on the Findings

01:43:39 The Devastating Consequences of the Pandemic

01:45:16 Preventing Future Pandemics

01:51:07 The Role of Scientists and Public Involvement

01:59:00 Restructuring the Scientific Enterprise

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The Illusion of Consensus
An independent podcast by Dr. Jay Bhattacharya and Rav Arora devoted to dismantling weaponized "consensus" in science. Weekly topics include Covid policy, online censorship, holistic medicine, mental health, and well-being.