The Illusion of Consensus is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support our work, consider becoming a paid subscriber. Paid members receive access to Rav and Jay’s live Q+A sessions: Please help us fund our podcast expansion to Rumble, X, and YouTube:
Thanks for doing this one Jay, very important info. Can you please include the animation of translation that Jessica mentioned at 26:00? I think this would go a long way to helping people understand the process, not least of all myself!
Thank you Jessica, this is the most detailed animation of this kind I have ever seen! One thing I wonder about is how we verify the accuracy of such an animation. Must be difficult to do!
Thanks again for sharing your knowledge with us :)
We win this thing with words. Check out my new word, coincidist, describing people who blame medical harm on coincidence. Coincidism is a filthy thing that goes right along with fascism and communism. We counter coincidism with creativity, humor and love.
The foreign protein she is referring to is a Non-Human protein. Think about that then think about how easy it was, using fear and mass formation psychosis, to make everyone believe a gene therapy is a vaccine. Refer to SEC filings of Moderna and Biontech of 2019-2020 where they lament the FDA still refers to all mRNA medicinal products as "gene therapies".
The question with the injections is - What If it goes directly into a vein, by accident? The people giving shots are instructed NOT to pull the plunger to make sure they are not in a vein. IM injections are extremely vascular, that's the first thing they tell doctors in med school. What goes in the arm. spreads all over the body. Excellent podcast ! Many Thanks Dr Jay for putting this on! Keep up the Great WORK!!
And almost beyond belief that doctors (of ALL people) thought getting the human body to begin manufacturing - not even a human protein - but a foreign VIRAL protein, was some kind of good idea.
I think we now all understand why the 3rd leading cause of death is iatrogenic.
Katalin Karikó and Drew Weissman boasted that the Muscle was never the target, but instead your Dendritic cells to genetically modify how they differentiate. Draining Lymph nodes are the way to the rest of the body.
It sounds like Dr. B thinks vaccine(s) for SARS-CoV-2 could have been developed using old, "traditional" technologies e.g. inactivated viruses or attenuated live viruses. If that's the case, he needs to study up on the history of attempts to develop vaccines for SARS (SARS-CoV-1) and MERS. The results were pathogenic priming or antibody enhanced disease (ADE). Researchers eventually gave up
Has Dr. B talked about origins of the virus at all? I have not really followed this doctor I end up here following Jessica.
It seems like any expression of a protein with a lab source should be done with extreme caution. Luc Montagnier called this a watchmakers masterpiece before his death. Wish he was still around for more insight.
I don't know whether Dr. B has talked about the origins of the virus. I think the Great Barrington Declaration was focused completely on the pandemic response and didn't raise any questions/issues about the virus's origins.
Do you understand what Luc Montagnier meant? It sounds like he was saying that the scientists who created the SARS-CoV-2 virus skillfully patched together different elements to create a very dangerous virus. I've heard a few different things: (1) The virus was adapted to attach to human ace-2 receptors, and equipped with a furin cleavage site, so as to enter human cells. (2) The virus was altered to include a piece of the HIV virus that would weaken immunity to it. (3) The spike protein was modified to include peptides from the venom of two different highly poisonous snakes (I seem to remember they were the King Cobra and the Chinese Krait), so that the spike protein would have effects similar to some snake venoms.
1) Yes this is also providing the aerosol transmission capability that really seperates sars-cov-2
2) The HIV inserts are interesting because they come from 3 geographically separate clades of HIV. This is extremely unlikely to happen. I think there was a better chance of the sun not rising tomorrow. I don't know what this does to immunity of HIV, but I know the vax developed in Australia caused it's recipients to test positive for HIV.
3) How the spike is taken apart by the immune system cuts the proteins up so they are homologous to some venom(s). Another interesting one is cone snail toxin. I know that was being studied as a potential habitless painkiller in the past.
DC sign is another very important addition to the spike structure. It allows infection of CD8 cells.
Yes I believe he meant the engineering of sars-cov-2 was an act of a skilled and loving craftsman. I think it is a watch with many features we as the public do not understand, but someone as a part of some military development lab may. It is unlikely so many interesting features get jammed into a single virus by chance and that again by chance one of the more dangerous portions of the virus was used to try and produce a vaccine based on one of the more variable regions of the virus.
We would have been so much farther ahead if public health didn’t push a “vaccine” solution for Covid (especially while in the midst of an outbreak as explained by GVB), there was a lot of previous knowledge of how to protect against and treat coronaviruses. But public health got steam rolled or paid off by pharma - and 4 years on we are no closer, maybe farther away from herd immunity because of it.
This 2005 paper is one among many that shows the people in public health would have been well aware we weren’t dealing with such a mysterious new disease. As time passes there’s less and less explanations of why things happened the way they did other than fraud.
Katalin Karikó told us that Endotoxin would be in the all the Pfizer BioNTech jabs and warned about Frame Shifting creating "Potent cryptic T cell epitopes" caused by Ribosomal Frame-shifting
Love your true description of the complexity and dynamism of nature/the human body (the reason why it takes 10+ years to develop true -- safe & effective -- vaccines).
A critical and lethal error to view the human body as a machine or static puzzle.... That seems to be an 18th century problem.
I didn't get the ANY covid shots, not because I feared the vx, but because I value my medical independence. My part-time work had a mandate. I was considering getting the original shot, and was very much uncomfortable with being forced to take a medical procedure. In the past, the only times I've had "compulsory" medical stuff, was for international travel. Back then I thought it was ok for countries to mandate people get medical procedures before visiting their country, but I no longer hold this opinion. I live in Canada, I don't think shots should be mandate, I DO believe that a person seeking international entry can be required to test, that's the limit of my thought.
Luckily, just as my season was about to start, the mandate dropped.
In Canada, many believe it's the Trucker Freedom Convoy that pushed our politicians to drop the mandates, but I continue to think so of these deeper clinical counter indications were already known and THAT's what pushed mandates dropping.
So I'm damned happy I didn't get it. I only don't think I've caught covid, unless I'm one of those who get it with only mild symptoms. Never been tested, so who the hell knows!
Actually I lived both plandemic winters in the Okanagan, as my home city had become disgustingly unbearable. I knew this was all fuckery already in Jan-Feb 2020, because I'm a biologist and had time to properly research the topic before it became popular and hysterical.
Thanks for highlighting the paper. Yet another thing that would have immediately disqualified the these therapies and sent them back to the R&D lab under non-deranged, standard approval process. Truly living in clown world.
Fantastic discussion! Dr. Rose hit the nail on the head. Immunology is infinitely more complex than we can imagine. Unfortunately, our public health experts, pharma, and the media chose hubris over epistemological humility throughout the pandemic.
Dr. B, toward the end of the discussion you seemed to imply that there has not been a signal regarding auto-immunity. Perhaps I misinterpreted your position. There absolutely is a signal. In fact, it may turn out to be one of the most common SAEs. Autoimmunity following mRNA vaccination was raised as a concern before 2020- early in the platform’s development. You don’t need to look any further than the studies themselves. A case of type 1 Diabetes Miletus was deemed related to vaccine in a one year old little girl in the Moderna pediatric trial. There were fewer than 2000 children in that particular treatment arm. Almost no providers with whom I raise this issue have any knowledge of this fact. That this was suppressed is both terrifying and criminal.
Jay, isn’t there a link to an animated DNA video? Wasn’t that promised in the podcast? I can’t find it and don’t have a bio background. Thanks. You are the best.
Did you get a feel for if Dr. Jay still recommends the shots for older people? In the summary it said they shouldn’t have been deployed for widespread use, but does that mean he supports them still for targeted populations?
Dr. Rose the mRNA vaccines are unregulated. Under the auspices of the DOD and dispensed under an emergency order. Under WHO with the prior issues complete safety tests were not done and won't be done. Well, as long as the WEF is on planet Earth anyway. It's my opinion things will not improve soon. The merger of the UN and WEF gives them the Military force without paying a dime.
Also, C19 immediately damages hemoglobin, making it impossible to carry oxygen throughout the body. Purple toes. High altitude sickness symptoms (Dr.Seidel, ER in NY).
C19 is a blood disease. Not a lung disease.
Venting lungs does nothing for damaged hemoglobin. Added air in the lungs can't be carried throughout the body. This explains why almost all died when vented.
These pieces of DNA are pretty small....how do they produce so many of. them that they can "load" a small vial of liquid with what hundreds, thousands, billions, of these crazy small pieces...
Honestly I don't believe they do....probably do computer modeling and call it good.
Thanks for doing this one Jay, very important info. Can you please include the animation of translation that Jessica mentioned at 26:00? I think this would go a long way to helping people understand the process, not least of all myself!
transcription is shown here among so many cool things: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hk9jct2ozY
Thank you Jessica, this is the most detailed animation of this kind I have ever seen! One thing I wonder about is how we verify the accuracy of such an animation. Must be difficult to do!
Thanks again for sharing your knowledge with us :)
They are putting ;-.M-R~/N-A in f=0-0/d-': watch this.,.,',.,., t.co/8QMCslXWkt
We win this thing with words. Check out my new word, coincidist, describing people who blame medical harm on coincidence. Coincidism is a filthy thing that goes right along with fascism and communism. We counter coincidism with creativity, humor and love.
https://open.substack.com/pub/coincidism/p/ive-created-a-concept-i-call-coincidism?
The foreign protein she is referring to is a Non-Human protein. Think about that then think about how easy it was, using fear and mass formation psychosis, to make everyone believe a gene therapy is a vaccine. Refer to SEC filings of Moderna and Biontech of 2019-2020 where they lament the FDA still refers to all mRNA medicinal products as "gene therapies".
https://investors.biontech.de/node/7381/html
The question with the injections is - What If it goes directly into a vein, by accident? The people giving shots are instructed NOT to pull the plunger to make sure they are not in a vein. IM injections are extremely vascular, that's the first thing they tell doctors in med school. What goes in the arm. spreads all over the body. Excellent podcast ! Many Thanks Dr Jay for putting this on! Keep up the Great WORK!!
And almost beyond belief that doctors (of ALL people) thought getting the human body to begin manufacturing - not even a human protein - but a foreign VIRAL protein, was some kind of good idea.
I think we now all understand why the 3rd leading cause of death is iatrogenic.
Katalin Karikó and Drew Weissman boasted that the Muscle was never the target, but instead your Dendritic cells to genetically modify how they differentiate. Draining Lymph nodes are the way to the rest of the body.
Just a side comment; Jessica is realty UNACCEPTABLE.
I thank her and admire her immensely.
It sounds like Dr. B thinks vaccine(s) for SARS-CoV-2 could have been developed using old, "traditional" technologies e.g. inactivated viruses or attenuated live viruses. If that's the case, he needs to study up on the history of attempts to develop vaccines for SARS (SARS-CoV-1) and MERS. The results were pathogenic priming or antibody enhanced disease (ADE). Researchers eventually gave up
Has Dr. B talked about origins of the virus at all? I have not really followed this doctor I end up here following Jessica.
It seems like any expression of a protein with a lab source should be done with extreme caution. Luc Montagnier called this a watchmakers masterpiece before his death. Wish he was still around for more insight.
I don't know whether Dr. B has talked about the origins of the virus. I think the Great Barrington Declaration was focused completely on the pandemic response and didn't raise any questions/issues about the virus's origins.
Do you understand what Luc Montagnier meant? It sounds like he was saying that the scientists who created the SARS-CoV-2 virus skillfully patched together different elements to create a very dangerous virus. I've heard a few different things: (1) The virus was adapted to attach to human ace-2 receptors, and equipped with a furin cleavage site, so as to enter human cells. (2) The virus was altered to include a piece of the HIV virus that would weaken immunity to it. (3) The spike protein was modified to include peptides from the venom of two different highly poisonous snakes (I seem to remember they were the King Cobra and the Chinese Krait), so that the spike protein would have effects similar to some snake venoms.
1) Yes this is also providing the aerosol transmission capability that really seperates sars-cov-2
2) The HIV inserts are interesting because they come from 3 geographically separate clades of HIV. This is extremely unlikely to happen. I think there was a better chance of the sun not rising tomorrow. I don't know what this does to immunity of HIV, but I know the vax developed in Australia caused it's recipients to test positive for HIV.
3) How the spike is taken apart by the immune system cuts the proteins up so they are homologous to some venom(s). Another interesting one is cone snail toxin. I know that was being studied as a potential habitless painkiller in the past.
DC sign is another very important addition to the spike structure. It allows infection of CD8 cells.
Yes I believe he meant the engineering of sars-cov-2 was an act of a skilled and loving craftsman. I think it is a watch with many features we as the public do not understand, but someone as a part of some military development lab may. It is unlikely so many interesting features get jammed into a single virus by chance and that again by chance one of the more dangerous portions of the virus was used to try and produce a vaccine based on one of the more variable regions of the virus.
Thank you for this additional information and insight.
We would have been so much farther ahead if public health didn’t push a “vaccine” solution for Covid (especially while in the midst of an outbreak as explained by GVB), there was a lot of previous knowledge of how to protect against and treat coronaviruses. But public health got steam rolled or paid off by pharma - and 4 years on we are no closer, maybe farther away from herd immunity because of it.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/
This 2005 paper is one among many that shows the people in public health would have been well aware we weren’t dealing with such a mysterious new disease. As time passes there’s less and less explanations of why things happened the way they did other than fraud.
Katalin Karikó told us that Endotoxin would be in the all the Pfizer BioNTech jabs and warned about Frame Shifting creating "Potent cryptic T cell epitopes" caused by Ribosomal Frame-shifting
https://geoffpain.substack.com/p/frame-shifting-warning-in-2014-from
Love your true description of the complexity and dynamism of nature/the human body (the reason why it takes 10+ years to develop true -- safe & effective -- vaccines).
A critical and lethal error to view the human body as a machine or static puzzle.... That seems to be an 18th century problem.
I didn't get the ANY covid shots, not because I feared the vx, but because I value my medical independence. My part-time work had a mandate. I was considering getting the original shot, and was very much uncomfortable with being forced to take a medical procedure. In the past, the only times I've had "compulsory" medical stuff, was for international travel. Back then I thought it was ok for countries to mandate people get medical procedures before visiting their country, but I no longer hold this opinion. I live in Canada, I don't think shots should be mandate, I DO believe that a person seeking international entry can be required to test, that's the limit of my thought.
Luckily, just as my season was about to start, the mandate dropped.
In Canada, many believe it's the Trucker Freedom Convoy that pushed our politicians to drop the mandates, but I continue to think so of these deeper clinical counter indications were already known and THAT's what pushed mandates dropping.
So I'm damned happy I didn't get it. I only don't think I've caught covid, unless I'm one of those who get it with only mild symptoms. Never been tested, so who the hell knows!
Likely you are not a BC resident Canadian.
The contraindications, as the lawyers would say, "were known, or should have been known",
and were ignored and gaslighted.
This is still being fought out in the courts with the judges mostly fully supportive of all of the mandates.
The Epoch Times has a good article this week , see John Carpay from Jan.14.
Actually I lived both plandemic winters in the Okanagan, as my home city had become disgustingly unbearable. I knew this was all fuckery already in Jan-Feb 2020, because I'm a biologist and had time to properly research the topic before it became popular and hysterical.
It’s like a two year old playing God. What could go wrong, look at us we are brilliant.
Thanks for highlighting the paper. Yet another thing that would have immediately disqualified the these therapies and sent them back to the R&D lab under non-deranged, standard approval process. Truly living in clown world.
Fantastic discussion! Dr. Rose hit the nail on the head. Immunology is infinitely more complex than we can imagine. Unfortunately, our public health experts, pharma, and the media chose hubris over epistemological humility throughout the pandemic.
Dr. B, toward the end of the discussion you seemed to imply that there has not been a signal regarding auto-immunity. Perhaps I misinterpreted your position. There absolutely is a signal. In fact, it may turn out to be one of the most common SAEs. Autoimmunity following mRNA vaccination was raised as a concern before 2020- early in the platform’s development. You don’t need to look any further than the studies themselves. A case of type 1 Diabetes Miletus was deemed related to vaccine in a one year old little girl in the Moderna pediatric trial. There were fewer than 2000 children in that particular treatment arm. Almost no providers with whom I raise this issue have any knowledge of this fact. That this was suppressed is both terrifying and criminal.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2209367
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/urgent-update-on-yesterdays-article/comments?r=m7jq6&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&utm_source=substack
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34225251/
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/imm.13443
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8652459/
Jay, isn’t there a link to an animated DNA video? Wasn’t that promised in the podcast? I can’t find it and don’t have a bio background. Thanks. You are the best.
Did you get a feel for if Dr. Jay still recommends the shots for older people? In the summary it said they shouldn’t have been deployed for widespread use, but does that mean he supports them still for targeted populations?
Dr. Rose the mRNA vaccines are unregulated. Under the auspices of the DOD and dispensed under an emergency order. Under WHO with the prior issues complete safety tests were not done and won't be done. Well, as long as the WEF is on planet Earth anyway. It's my opinion things will not improve soon. The merger of the UN and WEF gives them the Military force without paying a dime.
Also, C19 immediately damages hemoglobin, making it impossible to carry oxygen throughout the body. Purple toes. High altitude sickness symptoms (Dr.Seidel, ER in NY).
C19 is a blood disease. Not a lung disease.
Venting lungs does nothing for damaged hemoglobin. Added air in the lungs can't be carried throughout the body. This explains why almost all died when vented.
Death by suffocation and by misdiagnosis.
These pieces of DNA are pretty small....how do they produce so many of. them that they can "load" a small vial of liquid with what hundreds, thousands, billions, of these crazy small pieces...
Honestly I don't believe they do....probably do computer modeling and call it good.