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Debate Released! Denis Rancourt v. Tracy Beth Hoeg On 17 Million Vaccine Deaths


Hi everyone,

The 3-hour vaccine death debate between Denis and Tracy has now been released! Anyone can access it now here in the Substack app/website or in the Spotify/Apple links below. I hope it helps shape your perspective on this contentious topic.


  • Tracy criticizes Denis' paper on the number of deaths caused by COVID vaccines, arguing that the estimate of 17 million deaths is implausible.

  • Denis defends his paper, explaining the methodology and selection of countries in the study.

  • The debate becomes heated as they discuss the accusation of cherry-picking countries.

  • Technical difficulties interrupt the discussion briefly. There are inconsistencies in estimates of excess mortality and the causal link between COVID-19 vaccines and deaths.

  • Methodology plays a crucial role in determining the accuracy of these estimates.

  • Accurate information and fact-finding are essential in understanding the impact of COVID-19 vaccines on mortality.

  • Further discussion and analysis are needed to address the discrepancies between different studies and estimates. There is a temporal association between booster rollouts and excess mortality.

  • The causes of excess mortality are complex and can vary between countries and age groups.

  • The peak in mortality after the pandemic announcement is a significant phenomenon that requires further investigation.

  • Analyzing mortality data in countries without age stratification requires additional considerations.

  • The consistent association of excess mortality with booster rollouts suggests a potential link.

  • Quantifying excess mortality and the vaccine dose fatality rate can provide insights into the risk of death. The correlation between vaccine rollout and excess mortality is a topic of debate, with different interpretations and perspectives.

  • Communication plays a crucial role in conveying scientific findings, and the choice of words and statements can impact public perception.

  • Traditional methods may not always capture vaccine mortality, and there is a need for more comprehensive data and analysis.

  • The case of Sweden's excess mortality highlights the complexities of interpreting data and the importance of considering different factors.

  • Improving data collection and reporting is essential for a better understanding of the impact of vaccines and other interventions. Clear communication and agreement on recording and distribution processes are important in collaborative conversations.

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00:00 Introduction and Background

07:19 Tracy's Criticisms of Denis' Paper

12:20 Denis' Response to Tracy's Criticisms

27:17 Discussion on the Selection of Countries

34:00 Technical Difficulties

38:36 Addressing the Accusation of Cherry Picking

40:18 Excess Mortality and Vaccine Rollout

45:20 Cherry Picking and Projection

49:48 Analyzing Denmark's Data

52:30 Causality and Correlation

58:03 Excess Mortality by Age Group

01:03:36 Temporal Relationship between Vaccination and Mortality

01:10:20 Discussion on Causality and Uncertainties

01:16:01 Clarifying Statements and Limitations

01:19:25 Introduction and Setting the Stage

01:21:15 Inconsistencies in Estimates and Causal Link

01:23:14 Discussion on Methodology and Excess Mortality

01:36:19 Desire for Accurate Information and Fact-Finding

01:45:45 Proposal to Show Additional Graphs and Discuss Discrepancies

01:51:26 Graphs Showing Excess Mortality in Peru

01:54:10 Graphs Showing Excess Mortality by Age Group

01:55:01 Association between booster rollouts and excess mortality

01:59:05 Exploring the causes of excess mortality

02:00:09 Examining the New Zealand data

02:01:10 Consistent association of excess mortality with booster rollouts

02:02:35 Analyzing mortality data in countries without age stratification

02:03:08 Understanding the peak in mortality in Ecuador

02:04:36 Exploring the peak in mortality after the pandemic announcement

02:07:40 Considering the initial vaccine rollout and booster rollout

02:09:53 Comparing excess mortality in different periods

02:11:45 Quantifying excess mortality and vaccine dose fatality rate

02:19:14 Addressing the inconsistency in excess mortality patterns

02:25:36 Examining excess mortality in Sweden

02:35:29 Discussion on Vaccine Rollout and Excess Mortality

02:40:17 Clarifying the Claims and Interpretations

02:46:35 Debate on Communication and Provocative Statements

02:53:07 Why Traditional Methods Don't Pick Up Vaccine Mortality

02:59:59 Sweden's Excess Mortality and Interpretation

03:04:55 The Need for Better Data and Reporting

03:08:26 Debrief and Final Thoughts

The Illusion of Consensus
The Illusion of Consensus
An independent podcast by Dr. Jay Bhattacharya and Rav Arora devoted to dismantling weaponized "consensus" in science. Weekly topics include Covid policy, online censorship, holistic medicine, mental health, and well-being.