One often overlooked factor in chronic pain, and especially in PTSD after industrial injury, is anger at one or many thought to be the cause of the injury. The often neglected secret cure is simply - forgiveness.
You asked someone above how they could attest to mind/body being a real phenomenon. I have chronic medically unexplained dizziness diagnosed as Vestibular Migraine (a symptom based diagnosis - there are no medical tests for this). I am almost fully recovered now by using the mind/body approach. I follow Dr. Yonit Arthur on The Steady Coach.
I’m halfway through a 6-week hypnotherapy program for IBS. It’s definitely working. Actually, in all honesty, I love it. I can totally believe that many chronic problems have a huge psychological component. Looking forward to listening.
I'm sure you mean well, but given the epidemic of undertreated pain, misdiagnosed invisible illnesses, and opioid hysteria that benefits the Suboxone industry, probation-type "pain managers," lawyers, and the DEA, these recommendations are ultimately part of how chronic, acute, and Hospice stage pain patients end up taking their lives now in despair.
Harvard oncologists (2022) just published on how the opioids prescribed to Hospice pts are now about 25% less than 10 yrs ago. Surprise! Black patients got the least. They're not being adequately treated.
The citation spirals for bad studies used to justify the DEA cutting off millions from cheap, effective, pain meds to keep aging, disabled, and dying people functional are worse than for transgender ideology. Even the CDC has dialed them back. But clinical front line workers are terrified.
Next time you're discharged after major surgery w/ Tylenol and told to "meditate" or practice CBT, remember this. Most of us w/ long-term disabilities DO try all sorts of non-drug modalities, in fact to the detriment of not stocking up on easily available pain meds when they were easy to get. we should have. The suicide rate is increasing due to chronic pain pts having to go to streets to get meds (as well as Stage 4 bone cancer pts) or from not medicating and just killing yourself. Or best, getting the State too.
Canada killed a 37-year-old w/ a manageable case of hypermobile Ehlers Danlos Syndrome. Her doctor had moved. She couldn't get approval for the deep tissue work & fatigue & pain meds she'd need to function. So the State gave her one BIG dose of meds and killed her. Budget roll down 1: 20 million to go.
The types of pain you mention are valid and the people suffering from it are not candidates for mindbody solutions, although a mind-body approach can help them even if they are taking pain killers. People who are helped by a mind-body approach are those with chronic pain or other chronic symptoms for which medical science cannot provide relief; multiple tests and procedures do nothing for the pain. There are back doctors who will no longer perform back surgeries because the success rate is abysmally low. If the pain goes away from the initial site it may reappear in another part of the back, or elsewhere in the body because the brain is creating the pain, not a bodily abnormality. Fibromyalgia, CFS, IBS and migraines can be greatly helped or eliminated. I know several people who have recovered using mind-body techniques.
Of course, mind-body solutions are always appropriate. What's happening is that very dangerous, at best grossly misguided & at worst knowingly corrupt, forces are removing options for easier pain relief. W/ a history of having our pain invalidated as women--and w/ Black patients being treated as less sensitive to pain in the first place--ANY discussion that focuses on internalizing locus of control for management of pain has been and will continue to be hijacked to further blame patients, amounting to a violation of International Human Rights Law.
Of course, anyone w/ chronic conditions w/ access to resources to teach them basic non-dualist tools & introduce them to that world view can learn to mitigate their pain a bit to distinguish between pain and suffering.
But many of us have had congenital conditions--told we're crazy and exaggerating for years-- and have already turned to mind-body "solutions" well before they were packaged up as MBSR. It's vital that so-called "helping professions" NEVER provide these as the only answer but as part of an overall toolkit.
I read Healing Back Pain (Dr Sarno) more than 20 years ago and it changed my life. I didn’t have to be afraid anymore that pain meant I was injuring or had injured myself. So much freedom comes from knowledge
Dr. Sarno wrote about this years ago. I can attest to this phenomenon.
Yes he did. Dr. Schechter was one of his students. How can u attest?
How can we tell in chronic pain is caused by anxiety? By curing it
If it is cured by addressing or resolving the anxiety, that was the present cause, "cure cause."
Good point!
David Schechter rocks!! Hopefully we are on the brink of an awakening of the medical community to the powerful affects of the mind on the body.
One often overlooked factor in chronic pain, and especially in PTSD after industrial injury, is anger at one or many thought to be the cause of the injury. The often neglected secret cure is simply - forgiveness.
You asked someone above how they could attest to mind/body being a real phenomenon. I have chronic medically unexplained dizziness diagnosed as Vestibular Migraine (a symptom based diagnosis - there are no medical tests for this). I am almost fully recovered now by using the mind/body approach. I follow Dr. Yonit Arthur on The Steady Coach.
Below is a link to her interview with Dr. Schechter https://youtu.be/uTSbc-DSSp8?si=8ZCUr1GxJOyBVYyR
I’m halfway through a 6-week hypnotherapy program for IBS. It’s definitely working. Actually, in all honesty, I love it. I can totally believe that many chronic problems have a huge psychological component. Looking forward to listening.
I'm sure you mean well, but given the epidemic of undertreated pain, misdiagnosed invisible illnesses, and opioid hysteria that benefits the Suboxone industry, probation-type "pain managers," lawyers, and the DEA, these recommendations are ultimately part of how chronic, acute, and Hospice stage pain patients end up taking their lives now in despair.
Harvard oncologists (2022) just published on how the opioids prescribed to Hospice pts are now about 25% less than 10 yrs ago. Surprise! Black patients got the least. They're not being adequately treated.
The citation spirals for bad studies used to justify the DEA cutting off millions from cheap, effective, pain meds to keep aging, disabled, and dying people functional are worse than for transgender ideology. Even the CDC has dialed them back. But clinical front line workers are terrified.
Next time you're discharged after major surgery w/ Tylenol and told to "meditate" or practice CBT, remember this. Most of us w/ long-term disabilities DO try all sorts of non-drug modalities, in fact to the detriment of not stocking up on easily available pain meds when they were easy to get. we should have. The suicide rate is increasing due to chronic pain pts having to go to streets to get meds (as well as Stage 4 bone cancer pts) or from not medicating and just killing yourself. Or best, getting the State too.
Canada killed a 37-year-old w/ a manageable case of hypermobile Ehlers Danlos Syndrome. Her doctor had moved. She couldn't get approval for the deep tissue work & fatigue & pain meds she'd need to function. So the State gave her one BIG dose of meds and killed her. Budget roll down 1: 20 million to go.
The types of pain you mention are valid and the people suffering from it are not candidates for mindbody solutions, although a mind-body approach can help them even if they are taking pain killers. People who are helped by a mind-body approach are those with chronic pain or other chronic symptoms for which medical science cannot provide relief; multiple tests and procedures do nothing for the pain. There are back doctors who will no longer perform back surgeries because the success rate is abysmally low. If the pain goes away from the initial site it may reappear in another part of the back, or elsewhere in the body because the brain is creating the pain, not a bodily abnormality. Fibromyalgia, CFS, IBS and migraines can be greatly helped or eliminated. I know several people who have recovered using mind-body techniques.
Of course, mind-body solutions are always appropriate. What's happening is that very dangerous, at best grossly misguided & at worst knowingly corrupt, forces are removing options for easier pain relief. W/ a history of having our pain invalidated as women--and w/ Black patients being treated as less sensitive to pain in the first place--ANY discussion that focuses on internalizing locus of control for management of pain has been and will continue to be hijacked to further blame patients, amounting to a violation of International Human Rights Law.
Of course, anyone w/ chronic conditions w/ access to resources to teach them basic non-dualist tools & introduce them to that world view can learn to mitigate their pain a bit to distinguish between pain and suffering.
But many of us have had congenital conditions--told we're crazy and exaggerating for years-- and have already turned to mind-body "solutions" well before they were packaged up as MBSR. It's vital that so-called "helping professions" NEVER provide these as the only answer but as part of an overall toolkit.
Rav, you misspelled Dr. Schechter's last name in the YT video.
Hi. Will you be posting Jay's conversation with Robert Kogon on this Substack? Hope so - it's a good conversation!
I read Healing Back Pain (Dr Sarno) more than 20 years ago and it changed my life. I didn’t have to be afraid anymore that pain meant I was injuring or had injured myself. So much freedom comes from knowledge