Bret Weinstein joins the podcast to discuss dating, mating, sex, relationships, marriage, pornography, OnlyFans, dating apps and the collapse of courtship among Gen Z.
Thank you for making this insightful conversation available to a wider audience. As a baby boomer who discovered later in life that the sexual revolution of the '60's was a con, I would suggest that the most important component of sex education for adolescents should be learning the value of building a relationship with a potential life partner that is based on emotional intimacy and trust.
Very interesting conversation. Thanks for making it available.
I grew up and participated in the Mormon church for 45-ish years. When Covid hit, and the church leader bought into everything coming from the government and they publicly encouraged all members to take the Covid mRNA injections, I became clear to me that the church was not actually divinely lead. It broke my heart and I had to go through a very deep period of mourning when I left.
Having said that, one of the things that I appreciated about the church and culture was how seriously they take the marital relationship. It’s kind of ironic thinking about the early church leader “actions”, but currently, the church not only treats the sexual experience as sacred and holy but it has a lot of teachings and practices that support married couples and encourages continually strengthening their bond. This strong stance leaves little room for deviance from married heterosexual sexual relationships, thus creating a lot of tension with the current wider political/social culture and tension with fairly natural human behavior in general. And it leads to pretty extreme purity culture within the membership. Etc. Two sides to every coin, right?
But underlying all the conflicts and tension, it’s pretty clear that some of the fruits of this culture help many people to enter into and stay in long term committed relationships. My parents and grandparents were married to the same person their whole life. We have many life-long married friends. Me and my siblings who stayed in the church for our younger adult years are all married and in strong relationships. My husband and I are celebrating 30 years married soon. Two of my children will be married young and starting young families similar to the traditional Mormon pattern.
I’m not entirely sure my own marriage would have survived our current culture or the natural difficulties that any two people face when trying to navigate life together without that strong supportive structure of the church and wider faith community. Maybe it would have? Not sure. But I’m so glad our marriage did survive because it’s improving over time and we are best friends. We are living our best life together.
I’m glad that we got married young and had children young, despite the many challenges. We were SO poor. We were SO young. Haha!
I don’t know if there is a best way, but I’m feeing very fortunate to have experienced my life the way it happened.
I guess what I’m saying is that I was relating to a lot of what Brett was saying and pretty much agreeing with it.
Now that I’m no longer an active member of the Mormon church, I am apprehensive to watch my children try to raise their children without that guiding belief system/culture, mainly because of the support for long term fulfilling marital relationships that it provides. But I also don’t want them to grow up in it for other reasons so a lot of conflicting emotions for me.
I guess time will tell what the shifting generational effects on the marital/relationship status of individuals will be in my descendants without that structure and belief system…
Brandy—I have had a very similar experience leaving the Mormon church and mourning that loss and thinking about my children and their children in this culture. There are so many good and beautiful and also damaging and false things about the church. I am going to DM you!
Thank you for making this insightful conversation available to a wider audience. As a baby boomer who discovered later in life that the sexual revolution of the '60's was a con, I would suggest that the most important component of sex education for adolescents should be learning the value of building a relationship with a potential life partner that is based on emotional intimacy and trust.
Excellent Podcast Rav and Bret. I hope it is circulated widely here in the West. Thank you and many Blessings to you both
Very interesting conversation. Thanks for making it available.
I grew up and participated in the Mormon church for 45-ish years. When Covid hit, and the church leader bought into everything coming from the government and they publicly encouraged all members to take the Covid mRNA injections, I became clear to me that the church was not actually divinely lead. It broke my heart and I had to go through a very deep period of mourning when I left.
Having said that, one of the things that I appreciated about the church and culture was how seriously they take the marital relationship. It’s kind of ironic thinking about the early church leader “actions”, but currently, the church not only treats the sexual experience as sacred and holy but it has a lot of teachings and practices that support married couples and encourages continually strengthening their bond. This strong stance leaves little room for deviance from married heterosexual sexual relationships, thus creating a lot of tension with the current wider political/social culture and tension with fairly natural human behavior in general. And it leads to pretty extreme purity culture within the membership. Etc. Two sides to every coin, right?
But underlying all the conflicts and tension, it’s pretty clear that some of the fruits of this culture help many people to enter into and stay in long term committed relationships. My parents and grandparents were married to the same person their whole life. We have many life-long married friends. Me and my siblings who stayed in the church for our younger adult years are all married and in strong relationships. My husband and I are celebrating 30 years married soon. Two of my children will be married young and starting young families similar to the traditional Mormon pattern.
I’m not entirely sure my own marriage would have survived our current culture or the natural difficulties that any two people face when trying to navigate life together without that strong supportive structure of the church and wider faith community. Maybe it would have? Not sure. But I’m so glad our marriage did survive because it’s improving over time and we are best friends. We are living our best life together.
I’m glad that we got married young and had children young, despite the many challenges. We were SO poor. We were SO young. Haha!
I don’t know if there is a best way, but I’m feeing very fortunate to have experienced my life the way it happened.
I guess what I’m saying is that I was relating to a lot of what Brett was saying and pretty much agreeing with it.
Now that I’m no longer an active member of the Mormon church, I am apprehensive to watch my children try to raise their children without that guiding belief system/culture, mainly because of the support for long term fulfilling marital relationships that it provides. But I also don’t want them to grow up in it for other reasons so a lot of conflicting emotions for me.
I guess time will tell what the shifting generational effects on the marital/relationship status of individuals will be in my descendants without that structure and belief system…
Brandy—I have had a very similar experience leaving the Mormon church and mourning that loss and thinking about my children and their children in this culture. There are so many good and beautiful and also damaging and false things about the church. I am going to DM you!