If DRASTIC and others investigating the origins of the COVID-19 virus were able to step outside of the binary mind box of lab leak vs natural origin theories they might find this information of interest.
This information from pharmaceutical and health policymaker's official industry publications may point us to the possibility that the 2019-2020 flu vaccine itself helped generate the perception that Covid was an exceptionally dangerous and infectious pathogen. The 2019-2020 flu jabs themselves may very well be responsible for the severe outcomes that were being experienced, either via direct injection or shedding from vaccines - that we know happens with the LAIV model that was standardized for use in the 2019-2020 version.
An investigator leaving no stone unturned isn't limited to two possibilities. A skilled investigator on a relentless search for truth, no matter where it leads, would start digging around into what was actually in those 2019 flu jabs that could have precipitated the entire pandemic. Yes, we know that vaccines themselves shed. Fauci and the CDC eventually admitted that even about the mRNA COVID design. But especially the live-attenuated types that were used in the 2019-2020 flu season design. So one didn't need to receive the flu shot that year to have gotten very sick from it.
And the 2019 flu jab used a known severe H3N2 variant that was hotly debated about its inclusion in the quadrivalent because it was known to be very severe. Here's some interesting information that may help connect some dots when paired with the study found in the Substack link towards the end this comment. And don't miss the November, 2019 CNN Fauci section I include that is also very, very curious to consider with 20/20 hindsight. Given all that has transpired since it takes on a very predictive appearance, similar to "priming" in psychological parlance:
- This publication describes a brand-new style of flu vaccine that came online for the 2019-2020 flu season. Mammalian cell-based instead of egg-based. Claims that it was studied for efficacy...but no mention of safety trials:
"A new cell-based seasonal influenza vaccine has been issued marketing approval by the European Commission and will be available for the 2019/2020 flu season.
Flucelvax® Tetra (Seqirus) is the first cell-based quadrivalent influenza vaccine (QIVc) to be made available in Europe and is licensed for use in individuals aged nine years and older.
To date, there have been no randomised controlled trials comparing the efficacy of QIVc and standard egg-based quadrivalent vaccines (QIVe)"
“This real-world study, along with other emerging evidence, indicates that cell-based influenza vaccines may result in better influenza-related outcomes compared to standard egg-based vaccine options in some seasons"
"In the UK, the potential advantages of QIVc, which is cultured in mammalian cells rather than eggs"
“We are pleased to be bringing Flucelvax Tetra to the UK next season and have sufficient capacity at our cell-based manufacturing facility in the US to also ensure supply in September 2019"
- This article is interesting. It says that they added live-attenuated influenza vaccines to the schedule. It goes on to say that flu vaccines most definitely, positively, absolutely don't cause the flu, and by that definition won't shed...even after all of the science on vaccines admit that live-attenuated vaccines do shed. Curious:
"The 2019–2020 influenza vaccine recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) have remained mostly the same, with the exception of adding the LAIV to the immunization schedule."
- These articles tell us about what the WHO's process is and what they decided the 2019-2020 vaccine recommendations would be. I'll note that the first link speaks to concerns with preparing for H3N2 from the prior year, while the second link says they ended up not developing that specific strain of vaccines, after all, and the third link says they went ahead and included the H3N2 variant, after all. H3N2 was a "very severe" variant:
- Now, this is an interesting story from CNN that came out in November, 2019, an important time frame in the evolution of the covid story. Note the discussion about the need to develop a new type of all-purpose vaccine, a desire to test it widely, one that focused on a protein they link to a particular virus...like, say, a spike protein. Fauci is frequently quoted in it:
"But a universal flu shot would theoretically cover every strain of the flu using what’s known as an ice cream cone approach."
"Last spring, doctors at the NIH started testing universal flu shots on Sonn and other study participants to see how their bodies respond.
The research got an extra push in September when President Donald Trump signed an executive order aimed at developing a better flu vaccine.
Fauci said it could take less time – but still many years – to develop a semi-universal flu shot, which would protect against not all flu viruses, but rather a group of flu viruses."
"The faster and more precise method is not to grow the virus at all and instead just create the virus’ protein, he said.
“We clone the gene that codes for the specific protein we want,” Fauci said. “I don’t even want to see the virus. I just need the sequence of that virus, the genetic map of that virus. And you could send that to me by email.”
That’s the technology that’s being used to create the vaccines being trialed on participants like Sonn right now.
“We feel like we’re pioneers, and our volunteers are pioneers,” Ledgerwood said."
And there is a strong correlation between the 2019-2020 flu vaccine and COVID-19 susceptibility:
How does the 2019 flu vaccine look like now? And how does that CNN piece from November, 2019 read in hindsight now? And wouldn't DRASTIC and Jay Bhattacharya be interested in digging into this curious compilation of official vaccine industry publications to investigate and see what kind of "there" is there?
As an experienced investigator myself I'm always leery of binary limited possibilities. What seems obvious at first is often a misdirection leading away from the true source. And with the entire industry of flu vaccines that discovery of skulduggery in would jeopardize has a whole lot of rea$on$ to not want this type of information to be revealed. It would generate a whole lot of "vaccine hesitancy," you know. And a whole lot more.
I think you are hitting the target with this insight/information!
The places that had a hell of a time with Sars-cov-2 also had elderly and/or a high uptake of that quadravalent flu shot & dirty air, as well as being early adaptors of 5G- New York, Milan, Wuhan.
Yep. The PsyOps was very successful riding in on the "Contagion" Hollywood model of a deadly viral outbreak, lab escape, bioweapon concept.
Doesn't work like that in the real world. Humans actually are hard to kill without poisons. We have the most successful immune system God designed for survival on this biologically active planet. And as long as we take care of it through lifestyle and diet its protection is unsurpassed. Far superior to any protection arrogant man imagines themselves capable of designing or enhancing.
It takes an invasive procedure of man's own doing to overpower our immune system. Spreading deadly contagion via airborne respiratory shedding is incredibly inefficient. Not sufficient to create a global pandemic without an injection assist, bypassing most of nature's safeguards.
Why is this theory ignored while ridiculous Hollywood-inspired theories consume the work of investigators? The psychological priming of movies and media amplifying and fighting over only two "Contagion" theories provides the perfect getaway car for the perpetrators.
Nobody is even looking for them or bothered getting the plate number as their car fled the scene. Quickly becoming a cold case.
Investigators really trying to crack the case would take a fresh look at the evidence for the clues left behind nobody thought important enough to follow up on. Either intentionally or lacking imagination.
Similarly, I have become convinced that Dr. Ardis' theories of snake enzyme generation by the mRNA in the jabs could be true. Have you had time to look into his concepts. He authored a book: "Moving beyond the COVID 19 LIES", I read it and followed his detailed references to the scientific papers he based it on. The facts APPEAR to ad up. I am looking for other intelligent input. . . I have the papers if interested.
I found this interview immensely interesting. In my mind, this virus most certainly came from a lab leak, hence the players wouldn’t be tripping over themselves to cover up the lab leak origin. I was so glad Jay, when you asked if there’s any evidence that GOF has ever saved us from the brink of ruination. It makes sense that any superman successes would be touted loudly which would justify their existence. Alas, that has not been the case. There is something secretive going on for sure. Why in 2019 were two Chinese researchers from Wuhan and their students escorted out of the GOF lab in Winnipeg by the RMCP? Journalists can’t seem to get to the bottom of that mystery. GOF labs need to be strictly regulated closing all loop holes for secret funding and layers of oversight to protect us from extinction or disability. But, most importantly a moratorium on why they exist to begin with.
Lab leak? Yep. The lab was not miles and miles from the wet market, it was only about 400m as the crow flies. So how does the Whuan flu get to the wet market? Think Chinee society.
All you need is a poorly paid lab worker who instead of destroying lab test animals wanders down to the wet market, where they will buy anything and sells the infected animals to the market. Next thing you know it's being spread. It also explains why there would be variants.
You are way too generous when you say many virologists who supported Fauci and Danzak et all on the origin of COVID were well meaning. Anderson, Geary, Wroroby, Rasmussen et al centainly knew the true origin is not what they are claiming . The less prominent virologists were fearful of losing the source of their funding. The term ethical virologist is an oxymoron.
Great podcast and thanks for stressing that the threat of unregulated gain of function is certainly one of the great risks for our future.
Anderson for one, appears compromised, as though somebody's got something on him. I saw a podcast of him on a FaceTime call where he was challenged for his article. He was extremely reticent and appeared deeply ashamed for his actions but would not admit...only saying something like: "You don't understand; it's complicated," referring to why he suddenly did a 180 and published the way he did.
I was BLOCKED from Facebook March 2020 when I simply suggested that COVID was most likely lab accident or lab incompetence at CCP Wuhan lab. BLOCKed b y FascistBook for spreading disinformation. I got OFF FB. Robert W. Enzenauer, MD, MPH, BG Retired
They’ve been working on the mRNA technology for a while. But, it is interesting that in 2018 they submitted a proposal to DARPA but DARPA rejected it but somehow the work carried on regardless. How they came up with these jabs so quickly is a glaringly obvious question. This whole endeavour is extremely dangerous.
Very good interview. I confess I have only so far watched first 30 mins. @4:00 mins is crucial: "REPUTATION". And later, about not embarrassing the Chinese. That's exactly what I thought at the time. These aspects explain the motive for the whole narrative, and why China in their own way went overboard to show the world that they were on top of the outbreak. This excellent article written in May 2021 is on track https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038
If DRASTIC and others investigating the origins of the COVID-19 virus were able to step outside of the binary mind box of lab leak vs natural origin theories they might find this information of interest.
This information from pharmaceutical and health policymaker's official industry publications may point us to the possibility that the 2019-2020 flu vaccine itself helped generate the perception that Covid was an exceptionally dangerous and infectious pathogen. The 2019-2020 flu jabs themselves may very well be responsible for the severe outcomes that were being experienced, either via direct injection or shedding from vaccines - that we know happens with the LAIV model that was standardized for use in the 2019-2020 version.
An investigator leaving no stone unturned isn't limited to two possibilities. A skilled investigator on a relentless search for truth, no matter where it leads, would start digging around into what was actually in those 2019 flu jabs that could have precipitated the entire pandemic. Yes, we know that vaccines themselves shed. Fauci and the CDC eventually admitted that even about the mRNA COVID design. But especially the live-attenuated types that were used in the 2019-2020 flu season design. So one didn't need to receive the flu shot that year to have gotten very sick from it.
And the 2019 flu jab used a known severe H3N2 variant that was hotly debated about its inclusion in the quadrivalent because it was known to be very severe. Here's some interesting information that may help connect some dots when paired with the study found in the Substack link towards the end this comment. And don't miss the November, 2019 CNN Fauci section I include that is also very, very curious to consider with 20/20 hindsight. Given all that has transpired since it takes on a very predictive appearance, similar to "priming" in psychological parlance:
- This publication describes a brand-new style of flu vaccine that came online for the 2019-2020 flu season. Mammalian cell-based instead of egg-based. Claims that it was studied for efficacy...but no mention of safety trials:
https://pharmaceutical-journal.com/article/news/first-cell-based-quadrivalent-vaccine-available-for-2019-2020-flu-season
"A new cell-based seasonal influenza vaccine has been issued marketing approval by the European Commission and will be available for the 2019/2020 flu season.
Flucelvax® Tetra (Seqirus) is the first cell-based quadrivalent influenza vaccine (QIVc) to be made available in Europe and is licensed for use in individuals aged nine years and older.
To date, there have been no randomised controlled trials comparing the efficacy of QIVc and standard egg-based quadrivalent vaccines (QIVe)"
“This real-world study, along with other emerging evidence, indicates that cell-based influenza vaccines may result in better influenza-related outcomes compared to standard egg-based vaccine options in some seasons"
"In the UK, the potential advantages of QIVc, which is cultured in mammalian cells rather than eggs"
“We are pleased to be bringing Flucelvax Tetra to the UK next season and have sufficient capacity at our cell-based manufacturing facility in the US to also ensure supply in September 2019"
- This article is interesting. It says that they added live-attenuated influenza vaccines to the schedule. It goes on to say that flu vaccines most definitely, positively, absolutely don't cause the flu, and by that definition won't shed...even after all of the science on vaccines admit that live-attenuated vaccines do shed. Curious:
https://www.uspharmacist.com/article/20192020-influenza-vaccine-update
"The 2019–2020 influenza vaccine recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) have remained mostly the same, with the exception of adding the LAIV to the immunization schedule."
- These articles tell us about what the WHO's process is and what they decided the 2019-2020 vaccine recommendations would be. I'll note that the first link speaks to concerns with preparing for H3N2 from the prior year, while the second link says they ended up not developing that specific strain of vaccines, after all, and the third link says they went ahead and included the H3N2 variant, after all. H3N2 was a "very severe" variant:
https://elemental.medium.com/inside-the-making-of-the-flu-vaccine-c5d6f8cd174c
https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/who-vaccine-recommendations-are-used-pharmaceutical-companies-develop-produce-and-license-influenza
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/918053
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- Now, this is an interesting story from CNN that came out in November, 2019, an important time frame in the evolution of the covid story. Note the discussion about the need to develop a new type of all-purpose vaccine, a desire to test it widely, one that focused on a protein they link to a particular virus...like, say, a spike protein. Fauci is frequently quoted in it:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/29/health/universal-flu-vaccine/index.html
"But a universal flu shot would theoretically cover every strain of the flu using what’s known as an ice cream cone approach."
"Last spring, doctors at the NIH started testing universal flu shots on Sonn and other study participants to see how their bodies respond.
The research got an extra push in September when President Donald Trump signed an executive order aimed at developing a better flu vaccine.
Fauci said it could take less time – but still many years – to develop a semi-universal flu shot, which would protect against not all flu viruses, but rather a group of flu viruses."
"The faster and more precise method is not to grow the virus at all and instead just create the virus’ protein, he said.
“We clone the gene that codes for the specific protein we want,” Fauci said. “I don’t even want to see the virus. I just need the sequence of that virus, the genetic map of that virus. And you could send that to me by email.”
That’s the technology that’s being used to create the vaccines being trialed on participants like Sonn right now.
“We feel like we’re pioneers, and our volunteers are pioneers,” Ledgerwood said."
And there is a strong correlation between the 2019-2020 flu vaccine and COVID-19 susceptibility:
https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/how-flu-vaccines-accidentally-reveal
How does the 2019 flu vaccine look like now? And how does that CNN piece from November, 2019 read in hindsight now? And wouldn't DRASTIC and Jay Bhattacharya be interested in digging into this curious compilation of official vaccine industry publications to investigate and see what kind of "there" is there?
As an experienced investigator myself I'm always leery of binary limited possibilities. What seems obvious at first is often a misdirection leading away from the true source. And with the entire industry of flu vaccines that discovery of skulduggery in would jeopardize has a whole lot of rea$on$ to not want this type of information to be revealed. It would generate a whole lot of "vaccine hesitancy," you know. And a whole lot more.
I think you are hitting the target with this insight/information!
The places that had a hell of a time with Sars-cov-2 also had elderly and/or a high uptake of that quadravalent flu shot & dirty air, as well as being early adaptors of 5G- New York, Milan, Wuhan.
Humans, hard to kill, actually!
Yep. The PsyOps was very successful riding in on the "Contagion" Hollywood model of a deadly viral outbreak, lab escape, bioweapon concept.
Doesn't work like that in the real world. Humans actually are hard to kill without poisons. We have the most successful immune system God designed for survival on this biologically active planet. And as long as we take care of it through lifestyle and diet its protection is unsurpassed. Far superior to any protection arrogant man imagines themselves capable of designing or enhancing.
It takes an invasive procedure of man's own doing to overpower our immune system. Spreading deadly contagion via airborne respiratory shedding is incredibly inefficient. Not sufficient to create a global pandemic without an injection assist, bypassing most of nature's safeguards.
Why is this theory ignored while ridiculous Hollywood-inspired theories consume the work of investigators? The psychological priming of movies and media amplifying and fighting over only two "Contagion" theories provides the perfect getaway car for the perpetrators.
Nobody is even looking for them or bothered getting the plate number as their car fled the scene. Quickly becoming a cold case.
Investigators really trying to crack the case would take a fresh look at the evidence for the clues left behind nobody thought important enough to follow up on. Either intentionally or lacking imagination.
Similarly, I have become convinced that Dr. Ardis' theories of snake enzyme generation by the mRNA in the jabs could be true. Have you had time to look into his concepts. He authored a book: "Moving beyond the COVID 19 LIES", I read it and followed his detailed references to the scientific papers he based it on. The facts APPEAR to ad up. I am looking for other intelligent input. . . I have the papers if interested.
I found this interview immensely interesting. In my mind, this virus most certainly came from a lab leak, hence the players wouldn’t be tripping over themselves to cover up the lab leak origin. I was so glad Jay, when you asked if there’s any evidence that GOF has ever saved us from the brink of ruination. It makes sense that any superman successes would be touted loudly which would justify their existence. Alas, that has not been the case. There is something secretive going on for sure. Why in 2019 were two Chinese researchers from Wuhan and their students escorted out of the GOF lab in Winnipeg by the RMCP? Journalists can’t seem to get to the bottom of that mystery. GOF labs need to be strictly regulated closing all loop holes for secret funding and layers of oversight to protect us from extinction or disability. But, most importantly a moratorium on why they exist to begin with.
I found this interview fascinating. Thank you both for being brave and honest.
Lab leak? Yep. The lab was not miles and miles from the wet market, it was only about 400m as the crow flies. So how does the Whuan flu get to the wet market? Think Chinee society.
All you need is a poorly paid lab worker who instead of destroying lab test animals wanders down to the wet market, where they will buy anything and sells the infected animals to the market. Next thing you know it's being spread. It also explains why there would be variants.
Keep it simple.
Noted, thank you. My link to the Nicholas Wade article seems to claim that the first cases were actually nearer to the Wuhan lab anyway.
Jay,
You are way too generous when you say many virologists who supported Fauci and Danzak et all on the origin of COVID were well meaning. Anderson, Geary, Wroroby, Rasmussen et al centainly knew the true origin is not what they are claiming . The less prominent virologists were fearful of losing the source of their funding. The term ethical virologist is an oxymoron.
Great podcast and thanks for stressing that the threat of unregulated gain of function is certainly one of the great risks for our future.
Anderson for one, appears compromised, as though somebody's got something on him. I saw a podcast of him on a FaceTime call where he was challenged for his article. He was extremely reticent and appeared deeply ashamed for his actions but would not admit...only saying something like: "You don't understand; it's complicated," referring to why he suddenly did a 180 and published the way he did.
So when do the criminal trials begin?
I was BLOCKED from Facebook March 2020 when I simply suggested that COVID was most likely lab accident or lab incompetence at CCP Wuhan lab. BLOCKed b y FascistBook for spreading disinformation. I got OFF FB. Robert W. Enzenauer, MD, MPH, BG Retired
They’ve been working on the mRNA technology for a while. But, it is interesting that in 2018 they submitted a proposal to DARPA but DARPA rejected it but somehow the work carried on regardless. How they came up with these jabs so quickly is a glaringly obvious question. This whole endeavour is extremely dangerous.
Very good interview. I confess I have only so far watched first 30 mins. @4:00 mins is crucial: "REPUTATION". And later, about not embarrassing the Chinese. That's exactly what I thought at the time. These aspects explain the motive for the whole narrative, and why China in their own way went overboard to show the world that they were on top of the outbreak. This excellent article written in May 2021 is on track https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038