"The United States used to be considered to be the paragon for pharmaceutical safety and regulatory scrutiny...that is no longer an American advantage." - Dr. Robert Malone
Has the US ever been a safe haven for health care? I am not sure. When I came here 20 years ago the medical institutions were already 3rd cause of death. From what we know. Reading up, it seems the safe place for health might be a third world country!
I signed the Great Barrington Declaration as a physician the first time I saw it online, then oddly it disappeared. Imagine that. I’m glad I signed early. I was wondering if I were the only one who saw the bizarre behavior from the previously well respected government agency heads. The CDC director a few months ago revealed that he was having the same thoughts I was. The most shocking thing to me was that costs/benefits were never mentioned.
After several months to see if immediate side effects were occurring, I got the first two vaccinations with no problem. I was more concerned about late onset side effects. Initially I thought they were being careful recommended only that over 65 or 70 year-olds get the shot, but they quickly kept dropping the age recklessly with no mention of costs/benefits. In the case some unlikely but terrible long term damage to this older group occurred (to which I belong), it would not be as devastating to the whole country. Of course, I had no idea the coverups and censorship were so bad, I still saw the unbridled recklessness. I think someone should see if Dr. Fauci and company actually had medical training/degrees.
When the Henry Ford Ivermectin study showed promise, it was immediately removed or pushed into Google Hades (probably on the 100th page). The South African physician discovered Omicron and described its milder course. I saw her reports briefly, and I learned to look through multiple pages of repetitive studies on Google. I found her in a few weeks on page 17, with the same description of Omicron. I found that something she said had been misquoted as changing her mind to conform with the WHO deception. She didn’t.
Message for Robert Malone regarding post A Message from Gavyn to His Mom Karen Kingston as I cant comment on the link that was posted as I am not a paid subscriber.
I live in Mexico 16 years now, specially in Playa del Carmen next to Tulum. It sounds like Karen has a case of Chehen poisoning. I have had it a few times and it can be really tough and once was so bad I did not sleep for a whole week because of the itching and burning on skin. Chehen is a tree here in the Yucatan and if you get it on your body and dont wash it off it can be serious. Normally a try called the Chaka grows nest to it which is the antidote. If you grab some bark and rub it over your body then shower and scrub you are usually ok. The Mayans who work in the jungle rub themselves with it every day before going going just in case they came in contact with it. Some people are not affected by it, some are. Anyway, its tough but it eventually goes....
Though documenting the demise of ethical practices in the drug industry and its regulatory agencies is important, I am more interested in the larger picture that this is a part of. My teacher has been warning us about the attacks on our nation and way of life since the 1960s.
At first he thought the problem was Communism. But he wasn't getting pushback from Communists; he was getting pushback from organized psychiatry (World Federation for Mental Health) and politicians under their influence. Since then, the exact source of the attacks have become less clear. There seems to be an off-world component to this (hinted at by recent testimony to Congress). But this becomes too unbelievable to most people, so they look for other causes.
You can always blame human greed or fear for this sort of degradation. But what is driving it, and how do we reverse that degredation? Though these problems have answers, I think most people are looking in the wrong places, or think we can force the world back into earlier patterns that seemed to work better. But if we can't figure out how to strenghten people against this constant pressure to abandon their moral principles, the attacks will only reemerge and could ultimately be successful.
It’s Marxism with American characteristics. Divide and conquer. Marxism was based on class conflict. Here, due to fairly free social mobility, they try to promote race conflict. Obama was their first major victory, but they had been active for years in overturning everything that made us the Reagan’s great city on the hill. Remember Obama promised to destroy the foundation of America. He called it fundamental change to disguise his plan. Fundamental refers to foundations.
Though this theory is widely held, I don't see that it gets us any closer to discovering basic motivations and the people behind them. Marxism has only existed since the mid-1800s. Cultural suppression and criminality in high places has existed long before that time.
If you want a more mechanistic explanation that is very well thought out, read Łobaczewski's Political Ponerology. The drivers of the deceit are psychopaths. But they don't tend to be highly creative people, so they rely on creative deviants like Marx and others before him to supply ideologies that they can popularize. Before Marx there was - who? - Malthus, perhaps? And before him there were a variety of other materialist and cynical intellectuals who authored theories of politics, economics, and war.
These ideologies tend to justify criminality in its various forms. Marx suggests that the a "workers' state" seize the means of production. But that's just stealing. It's criminal behavior. Whenever criminals gain possession of valuable land or equipment, they usually spoil it or destroy it. These ideologies don't work because they advocate handing over the physical universe to people who are incompetent in handling the physical universe.
There is a deeper reason why criminals exist at all. Why wouldn't "evolution" reduce such incompetent people to zero? That is the conundrum most thinkers today can't deal with, so they end up blaming our problems on other causes. It is a question most people still have to wrap their minds around.
Workers seize the means of production because the fruits of their labor is stolen wealth. That’s justice, not criminality. In fact, an impoverished people cannot possibly act as educated as overseers of democracy, as it absolutely requires. They’re too busy seeking food and shelter.
That stolen wealth goes to buy the politician class, etc. and downwards from there, as Malone explained.
Stealing is a criminal act, no matter who does it. If the "workers" really think they are being stolen from, they could mount a class action lawsuit against the "capitalists" involved to redress their grievances. But to me,, this is criminality cloaked in ideology. Marxism and its derivatives is not a winning game. But Capitalism isn't, either. The problem with us is insanity in all its forms, not our system of economics or even our system of government. Any push towards a "more perfect union" presupposes a sane ruling class. We don't have that today and that is the more basic problem.
I recognize that I am being pedantic, but this is a conclusion reached through study and personal experience. I have been an employee in many different situations. I never felt ripped off. But I saw other employees, seniors and even business owners act crazy or at least irrational. I don't expect others to magically realise they are wrong and should agree with me. I'm just hoping more people will think about this more carefully.
You are speaking from the perspective of an employee who never felt ripped off. Wage theft is a thing, and the criminally corrupt government isn’t looking after them through regulation or meaningful penalties. You can only push people so far. Labeling people “Marxists;” for wanting their fair share, or working towards worker shared production is silly. See anyone seizing a factory lately, no, we don’t have any, and that too is theft from the American worker. Generally those who are denied fair pay aren’t schooled in nor adhering to a political ideologies. People are seeking a better way to organize society, as this one isn’t working.
Wage theft costs everyone, that money would otherwise be spent and taxed.
I realize that wage theft exits. But it either is, or could be made, illegal. After all, that, too , is a form of criminal activity. Marxism advocates that workers (via the state) take over the means of production. If there are workers who want to do this but don't realize this is Marxism, then OK, they aren't "Marxists" but they have been influenced by that ideology.
There is such a thing as a "worker's cooperative." Such groups have even been organized into corporate groups, such as the Mondragon Corporation in Spain. This is quite possible and could be done. Many things could be done without going criminal. I would like to see more such activities. I am sure that there are powerful interest groups that would fight any activity that would give workers more control. That has alway been a problem, which is very unfortunate.
How about we just start over ….the government is a bloated unproductive institution , that spends too much , does too little , and is wildly inefficient ….
The root issue is spiritual bankruptcy. The centuries long trend of God denial, melding more every day into open God hatred, coupled with the capacity for evil that technology now affords us, is bearing its predictable fruit.
This is certainly a big part of it. But, how long ago do you think all this started? My information indicates it has been a problem on Earth for many tens of thousands of years and in the universe for a lot longer than that.
I accept the Biblical account of human history as true and accurate.
It's cyclical. As societies become prosperous they tend toward excess and corruption. They abandon then come to despise the ethics, morals and culture that enabled them to prosper. Then that society/civilization is destroyed. Sometimes slowly, sometimes suddenly. I don't see much indication in history of this cycle reversing, at least not on large, nation state scales. However, individuals and small groups can always change course. The society may not be saved but individuals always can be. That is why it is valuable to address the spiritual aspect, to reach those that are reachable.
Very informative and important conversation between two heroes of the resistance against growing insanity and evil.
To that point, both men failed badly in the solutions segment. I believe both profess faith in Christ. How can it be, if they are believers, and are even very minimally familiar with God's word and spiritual dynamics, that they don't acknowledge the spiritual element to the crisis they discuss? Not one word? Are they too beholden to the spirit of the age, scientism, to mention the clear root issue here, which is a society disintegrating due to spiritual bankruptcy?
Anyone else find it Interesting/comical that in listening to segment one and segment two together there was a point where they started talking about the White House and then it got interrupted by some supposed technical problem and they come back from the technical problem talking about something different? 😀
Thank you for confirming thoughts that go through my uneducated head about this entire subject. Unfortunately imparting this information to the youngsters and ostriches on the left falls on deaf ears and reactions of conspiracy theory.
Interesting interview. I am not sure the schedule F remedy would do much good unless it was part of massive reform, otherwise new people could always be put in place who would do whatever the others had been doing. I guess the big question, it seems to me, is how to defeat the leviathan of the DOD, CIA, NSA, FBI, etc. Because even if the regulatory agencies are reformed, that won't ultimately put power into the hands of the people, if the defense-intel establishment continues to run the world. We know very little about bioweapons, directed energy weapons and geoengineering projects, but we know all of these exist. In 1998 the Brookings Institution published, "Atomic audit, the costs and consequences of U.S. nuclear weapons since 1940." Using the DOD's Future Years Defense Program historical database and other sources, the authors determine that the total cost (in 1996 dollars as of 1998 of course) was $5,821.0 BILLION. This figure includes building the bomb, deploying, targeting and controlling the bomb, defending against the bomb, dismantling the bomb, and nuclear waste management and environmental remediation. The authors identify about 6 billion more not included in this figure. I read somewhere recently the assertion that bioweapons have cost far more than the nuclear weapons program. I have no idea how that assertion was calculated or what sources were used to reach that conclusion, but add to that the money spent on conventional weaponry and its administration then I think that gives us some sense of what we are up against, a massive confiscatory money machine with its own police force, so to speak. A crude, inexact way of putting it, perhaps, but how we change that pattern, challenge that unassailable and largely secret power I haven't a clue.
Incredible interview, thank you. I know Dr. Malone won’t compete against RFK Jr. and run for President (considering the undemocratic voting system we use for elections, which is subject to vote splitting) but what a great President he would make, imo. I think he and RFK Jr. are like new Founding Fathers (or Parents:) of a coming Real Democracy that is gestating in the minds of many and will hopefully be healthily born.
Has the US ever been a safe haven for health care? I am not sure. When I came here 20 years ago the medical institutions were already 3rd cause of death. From what we know. Reading up, it seems the safe place for health might be a third world country!
“I have never had a podcast interviewer who is an academic..." Robert... i was introduced to you by bret weinstein! He's gonna be hurt!
Haha. Good catch. I also first heard Dr. Malone there. I had forgotten.
Maybe he meant academic whose field and career I share a lot of overlap with.
Right?
I signed the Great Barrington Declaration as a physician the first time I saw it online, then oddly it disappeared. Imagine that. I’m glad I signed early. I was wondering if I were the only one who saw the bizarre behavior from the previously well respected government agency heads. The CDC director a few months ago revealed that he was having the same thoughts I was. The most shocking thing to me was that costs/benefits were never mentioned.
After several months to see if immediate side effects were occurring, I got the first two vaccinations with no problem. I was more concerned about late onset side effects. Initially I thought they were being careful recommended only that over 65 or 70 year-olds get the shot, but they quickly kept dropping the age recklessly with no mention of costs/benefits. In the case some unlikely but terrible long term damage to this older group occurred (to which I belong), it would not be as devastating to the whole country. Of course, I had no idea the coverups and censorship were so bad, I still saw the unbridled recklessness. I think someone should see if Dr. Fauci and company actually had medical training/degrees.
When the Henry Ford Ivermectin study showed promise, it was immediately removed or pushed into Google Hades (probably on the 100th page). The South African physician discovered Omicron and described its milder course. I saw her reports briefly, and I learned to look through multiple pages of repetitive studies on Google. I found her in a few weeks on page 17, with the same description of Omicron. I found that something she said had been misquoted as changing her mind to conform with the WHO deception. She didn’t.
Thank you for signing it.
Do you ever sleep? Keep up the good work.
FYI, an excellent book on how the 1980 Bayh Dole Act turned universities into corporate campuses is University Inc: The Corporate Corruption of Higher Education https://www.amazon.com/University-Inc-Corporate-Corruption-Education/dp/0465090524 Check it out!
97% of scientists agree with the people who fund them.
Message for Robert Malone regarding post A Message from Gavyn to His Mom Karen Kingston as I cant comment on the link that was posted as I am not a paid subscriber.
I live in Mexico 16 years now, specially in Playa del Carmen next to Tulum. It sounds like Karen has a case of Chehen poisoning. I have had it a few times and it can be really tough and once was so bad I did not sleep for a whole week because of the itching and burning on skin. Chehen is a tree here in the Yucatan and if you get it on your body and dont wash it off it can be serious. Normally a try called the Chaka grows nest to it which is the antidote. If you grab some bark and rub it over your body then shower and scrub you are usually ok. The Mayans who work in the jungle rub themselves with it every day before going going just in case they came in contact with it. Some people are not affected by it, some are. Anyway, its tough but it eventually goes....
Thanks for sharing this!
I’m so disappointed in certain people’s defensive reaction to Karen’s crisis.
Though documenting the demise of ethical practices in the drug industry and its regulatory agencies is important, I am more interested in the larger picture that this is a part of. My teacher has been warning us about the attacks on our nation and way of life since the 1960s.
At first he thought the problem was Communism. But he wasn't getting pushback from Communists; he was getting pushback from organized psychiatry (World Federation for Mental Health) and politicians under their influence. Since then, the exact source of the attacks have become less clear. There seems to be an off-world component to this (hinted at by recent testimony to Congress). But this becomes too unbelievable to most people, so they look for other causes.
You can always blame human greed or fear for this sort of degradation. But what is driving it, and how do we reverse that degredation? Though these problems have answers, I think most people are looking in the wrong places, or think we can force the world back into earlier patterns that seemed to work better. But if we can't figure out how to strenghten people against this constant pressure to abandon their moral principles, the attacks will only reemerge and could ultimately be successful.
It’s Marxism with American characteristics. Divide and conquer. Marxism was based on class conflict. Here, due to fairly free social mobility, they try to promote race conflict. Obama was their first major victory, but they had been active for years in overturning everything that made us the Reagan’s great city on the hill. Remember Obama promised to destroy the foundation of America. He called it fundamental change to disguise his plan. Fundamental refers to foundations.
Though this theory is widely held, I don't see that it gets us any closer to discovering basic motivations and the people behind them. Marxism has only existed since the mid-1800s. Cultural suppression and criminality in high places has existed long before that time.
If you want a more mechanistic explanation that is very well thought out, read Łobaczewski's Political Ponerology. The drivers of the deceit are psychopaths. But they don't tend to be highly creative people, so they rely on creative deviants like Marx and others before him to supply ideologies that they can popularize. Before Marx there was - who? - Malthus, perhaps? And before him there were a variety of other materialist and cynical intellectuals who authored theories of politics, economics, and war.
These ideologies tend to justify criminality in its various forms. Marx suggests that the a "workers' state" seize the means of production. But that's just stealing. It's criminal behavior. Whenever criminals gain possession of valuable land or equipment, they usually spoil it or destroy it. These ideologies don't work because they advocate handing over the physical universe to people who are incompetent in handling the physical universe.
There is a deeper reason why criminals exist at all. Why wouldn't "evolution" reduce such incompetent people to zero? That is the conundrum most thinkers today can't deal with, so they end up blaming our problems on other causes. It is a question most people still have to wrap their minds around.
Workers seize the means of production because the fruits of their labor is stolen wealth. That’s justice, not criminality. In fact, an impoverished people cannot possibly act as educated as overseers of democracy, as it absolutely requires. They’re too busy seeking food and shelter.
That stolen wealth goes to buy the politician class, etc. and downwards from there, as Malone explained.
Stealing is a criminal act, no matter who does it. If the "workers" really think they are being stolen from, they could mount a class action lawsuit against the "capitalists" involved to redress their grievances. But to me,, this is criminality cloaked in ideology. Marxism and its derivatives is not a winning game. But Capitalism isn't, either. The problem with us is insanity in all its forms, not our system of economics or even our system of government. Any push towards a "more perfect union" presupposes a sane ruling class. We don't have that today and that is the more basic problem.
I recognize that I am being pedantic, but this is a conclusion reached through study and personal experience. I have been an employee in many different situations. I never felt ripped off. But I saw other employees, seniors and even business owners act crazy or at least irrational. I don't expect others to magically realise they are wrong and should agree with me. I'm just hoping more people will think about this more carefully.
You are speaking from the perspective of an employee who never felt ripped off. Wage theft is a thing, and the criminally corrupt government isn’t looking after them through regulation or meaningful penalties. You can only push people so far. Labeling people “Marxists;” for wanting their fair share, or working towards worker shared production is silly. See anyone seizing a factory lately, no, we don’t have any, and that too is theft from the American worker. Generally those who are denied fair pay aren’t schooled in nor adhering to a political ideologies. People are seeking a better way to organize society, as this one isn’t working.
Wage theft costs everyone, that money would otherwise be spent and taxed.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/owed-employers-face-little-accountability-for-wage-theft/
I realize that wage theft exits. But it either is, or could be made, illegal. After all, that, too , is a form of criminal activity. Marxism advocates that workers (via the state) take over the means of production. If there are workers who want to do this but don't realize this is Marxism, then OK, they aren't "Marxists" but they have been influenced by that ideology.
There is such a thing as a "worker's cooperative." Such groups have even been organized into corporate groups, such as the Mondragon Corporation in Spain. This is quite possible and could be done. Many things could be done without going criminal. I would like to see more such activities. I am sure that there are powerful interest groups that would fight any activity that would give workers more control. That has alway been a problem, which is very unfortunate.
How about we just start over ….the government is a bloated unproductive institution , that spends too much , does too little , and is wildly inefficient ….
I could go on ….
You make a valid point.
The root issue is spiritual bankruptcy. The centuries long trend of God denial, melding more every day into open God hatred, coupled with the capacity for evil that technology now affords us, is bearing its predictable fruit.
Big factor.
This is certainly a big part of it. But, how long ago do you think all this started? My information indicates it has been a problem on Earth for many tens of thousands of years and in the universe for a lot longer than that.
I accept the Biblical account of human history as true and accurate.
It's cyclical. As societies become prosperous they tend toward excess and corruption. They abandon then come to despise the ethics, morals and culture that enabled them to prosper. Then that society/civilization is destroyed. Sometimes slowly, sometimes suddenly. I don't see much indication in history of this cycle reversing, at least not on large, nation state scales. However, individuals and small groups can always change course. The society may not be saved but individuals always can be. That is why it is valuable to address the spiritual aspect, to reach those that are reachable.
This is part time of the current Marxist agenda; overthrowing each and every government institution.
Very informative and important conversation between two heroes of the resistance against growing insanity and evil.
To that point, both men failed badly in the solutions segment. I believe both profess faith in Christ. How can it be, if they are believers, and are even very minimally familiar with God's word and spiritual dynamics, that they don't acknowledge the spiritual element to the crisis they discuss? Not one word? Are they too beholden to the spirit of the age, scientism, to mention the clear root issue here, which is a society disintegrating due to spiritual bankruptcy?
Witnessing the great falling away. It’s disappointing at first but I’d rather see clearly who’s who.
Joe Biden traveled to Australia and New Zealand in August 2016 to update Five Eyes partners on what? No reporting, no transparency.
Hey Mike! Thanks for fighting for the truth and humanity. God bless.
Anyone else find it Interesting/comical that in listening to segment one and segment two together there was a point where they started talking about the White House and then it got interrupted by some supposed technical problem and they come back from the technical problem talking about something different? 😀
Yes. That was annoying. They were about to discuss specifically how and why Amazon came to censor Dr. Malone's book
Odd edit . Not an accident.
Thank you for confirming thoughts that go through my uneducated head about this entire subject. Unfortunately imparting this information to the youngsters and ostriches on the left falls on deaf ears and reactions of conspiracy theory.
Government is the problem ……period .
Interesting interview. I am not sure the schedule F remedy would do much good unless it was part of massive reform, otherwise new people could always be put in place who would do whatever the others had been doing. I guess the big question, it seems to me, is how to defeat the leviathan of the DOD, CIA, NSA, FBI, etc. Because even if the regulatory agencies are reformed, that won't ultimately put power into the hands of the people, if the defense-intel establishment continues to run the world. We know very little about bioweapons, directed energy weapons and geoengineering projects, but we know all of these exist. In 1998 the Brookings Institution published, "Atomic audit, the costs and consequences of U.S. nuclear weapons since 1940." Using the DOD's Future Years Defense Program historical database and other sources, the authors determine that the total cost (in 1996 dollars as of 1998 of course) was $5,821.0 BILLION. This figure includes building the bomb, deploying, targeting and controlling the bomb, defending against the bomb, dismantling the bomb, and nuclear waste management and environmental remediation. The authors identify about 6 billion more not included in this figure. I read somewhere recently the assertion that bioweapons have cost far more than the nuclear weapons program. I have no idea how that assertion was calculated or what sources were used to reach that conclusion, but add to that the money spent on conventional weaponry and its administration then I think that gives us some sense of what we are up against, a massive confiscatory money machine with its own police force, so to speak. A crude, inexact way of putting it, perhaps, but how we change that pattern, challenge that unassailable and largely secret power I haven't a clue.
Incredible interview, thank you. I know Dr. Malone won’t compete against RFK Jr. and run for President (considering the undemocratic voting system we use for elections, which is subject to vote splitting) but what a great President he would make, imo. I think he and RFK Jr. are like new Founding Fathers (or Parents:) of a coming Real Democracy that is gestating in the minds of many and will hopefully be healthily born.