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Jonathan Engler's avatar

“Long covid” is either vaccine injury (mostly), or possibly very occasional post-viral illness as has been observed to follow “flu” - likely to be much more common with months of military grade fear propaganda.

Thus the idea that it could be prevented by these products defies belief.

In any event, I can’t see that there would ever be a rational ethical basis for conducting a trial in healthy people of an injected genetic therapy, which, moreover, became widely distributed and was transported in a carrier which (by design) crossed all protective membranous barriers.

All norms of pharmaceutical development would require extensive testing to rule out harms to all target organs identified by bio distribution studies.

The target organs in this case are every single organ system.

The platform is inherently dangerous.

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Teri Anglim's avatar

Very. And now they are using it to create new products - i.e. rsv, combination flu/covid, etc.

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Teri Anglim's avatar

It is truly unbelievable......I have tried since 2020 to justify everything to no avail. My conclusions remain strong - the population as a whole has been duped and the majority fail to realize that. I only have two friends that have awakened...no family members.

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Desantis is the man's avatar

This is nonsense. Long Covid is real & emerged in 2020 when the novel virus was the main driver of excess mortality worldwide (the USA saw the greatest single year % increase in mortality in 100 years for example.)

Long Covid is not vaccine injury, which is far rarer and not at all the same (especially since it was widespread in 2020 before vaccines) Not does it have anything to do w/ fear or propaagnda. You can't get Long Covid from fear or propaganda, no matter how scared you are. You need to have Covid first. That's an indisputable non-controversial fact.

The main reason vaccination reduces Long Covid risk is Long Covid risk is higher when Covid severity is higher. Do you even science bro?

There is extensive science on these facts.

For example this BMJ study from Switzerland where more than 1 in 6 unvaccinated people report health effects of COVID two years after confirmed infection. The findings show that 17% of participants did not return to normal health and 18% reported covid-19 related symptoms 24 months after initial infection. This study was done before vaccines were available. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37257891/

Please stop spreading misinformation in the comments section.

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Judith Stapleton's avatar

With all due respect, in what world could mRNA gene therapy be beneficial to "some patients"?? The delivery mechanism of a 2 part spike protein is designed to open the cell (any cell) through the ACE2 receptor, like a poison key in a lock. There are more of these receptors on male cells than female.

Once the delivery is complete the mRNA begins its work of changing the very structure of the cell, any cell. The nanolipid particle itself is delivering metals including graphene. (This lipid particle was invented in Vancouver, BC, at UBC, for a huge amount of money).

Not only is the recipient undergoing changes in her DNA, which will be permanent, she is thenceforward trackable, like metals to a magnet.

Find Henry Kissenger's comments on X to see how integrated a scheme like this has been to NATO/Pentagon planning! We have been skewered!

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SEF's avatar

Pfizer and Moderna's own gold-standard randomized clinical trials showed a net mortality effect of "4 killed for every 3 saved" and a double-digit percentage increase in non-COVID (mostly cardiovascular-related) deaths with mRNA vaccination. The "it's not statistically significant" excuse is somewhat ridiculous, because the COVID mortality benefit in the trials was even SMALLER than the excess non-COVID mortality risk, so the justification for using the vaccine at all is entirely moot if "significance" is brought up. And anyone in the field knows that company-sponsored RCTs always yield a MORE OPTIMISTIC representation of a pharmaceutical product than its actual real-world effect in the population at large, because the companies design their trials in a best-case scenario for their product.

https://www.cell.com/action/showFullTableHTML?isHtml=true&tableId=tbl1&pii=S2589-0042%2823%2900810-6

https://dailysceptic.org/2022/04/09/covid-vaccines-increase-risk-of-heart-related-deaths-by-up-to-50-lancet-analysis-of-trial-data-finds/

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tclepic's avatar

Great discussion! Surprised that Dr B seemed hesitant to pull a harm-inducing new-technology pharmaceutical from the market UNTIL the drug company, per normal vetting process, provides robust true-placebo trial data to support the use of that product in specific cohorts. Also surprised that Dr B implied it might be OK for large numbers of people to be (severely) harmed from a pharmaceutical just in case that pharmaceutical MIGHT be helpful for a different treatment. Which cohorts benefit? I personally know of several 60+/70+/80+ relatively-healthy individuals whose lives were trashed after taking mRNA shots (strokes, heart attacks, neuro issues, autoimmune effects). Everyone, including this older cohort, could have had decent early treatment options for COVID to acquire natural immunity, but _those_ safe treatment options were blocked from the market by the powers-that-be to ensure more deaths and fear, to justify the EUA for the $100+B experimental gene therapy shots, using fear (or mandates) driving consumers to their product.

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H8SBAD's avatar

A debate about science? How old fashioned.

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Eleftherios Gkioulekas's avatar

Prophylaxis with HCQ or IVM would be fat better protection for high risk groups. Given the claims that webhave to "boost" the shots regularly, it would seem that prophylactic antibodies would be safer and possibly better than short-lasting vaccines, for the very high risk individuals.

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Teri Anglim's avatar

SO PLEASED you are signing! I have been looking for your name. I have been following your case since it began. Thank you for bringing attention to this unbelievable predicament America is in today. I still do not see some other names of people I thought would sign: McCullough, Kory, Merrick. Perhaps they are not aware.......??

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Jan Johnston's avatar

Dr McCullough signed it

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Teri Anglim's avatar

WONDERFUL to know...thank you

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Jan Johnston's avatar

… and Kory

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Teri Anglim's avatar

EXCELLENT...thank you for letting me know

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Charles Wright's avatar

Any "doctor" who even asks this question should not have a license to practice medicine. Pathetic.

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Kathy Lopez's avatar

I’m just thrilled that there was a cordial discussion on the matter! Thanks for being an example of what true science and comport looks like.

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John Bartley's avatar

mRNA vaccines are not the only choice. Novavax is not mRNA. Pretending it is is disingenuous. https://ir.novavax.com/press-releases/2024-08-30-Novavax-2024-2025-Formula-COVID-19-Vaccine-Now-Authorized-and-Recommended-for-Use-in-the-U-S

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WilliamMcG's avatar

elon musk is a pedophile and so is jay chattacharya

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Sheila Crook-Lockwood's avatar

At minute 50 ish Dr. Fraiman states that randomized control trials of hormone replacement therapy demonstrated that it caused heart attacks, strokes, and breast cancer. This is incorrect. Dr. Fraiman, please refer to the actual data from the Women's health initiative, the fact that they were using synthetic estrogens and progesterone made from horse urine. Even with the synthetic products the breast cancer risk was virtually non-significant. The real issue was the use of the progesterone made from pregnant mares (premarin). Dr. Carrie Jones is an excellent source for data about hormone replacement therapy as is Dr. Felice Gersh.

I genuinely appreciate your work. Thank you.

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Vivien C Buckley's avatar

Dr. Bhattacharya, I have observed you are a person who moves cautiously. Thank you for this interview and I did sign it. I believe the government is aware of the injuries, just not aware of the extent as there’s no active data collection or diagnostic test. Through my FB support groups I learned that the NIH starting June 2021 looked at least 23 shot injured people. Tests done includes MRI’s, skin punch biopsies, lumbar punctures and blood tests where they took vials and vials of blood and froze them. One said her LP was abnormal and showed evidence of central nervous system inflammation. Some had IVIG treatments. But, help from the NIH was abruptly stopped with no explanation. Also, they had to agree that they would not talk about what they perceived as help. The tests lasted for under a year.

The pharmaceutical companies have broad power and influence. They are controlling the narrative. Pharmaceutical destroys careers if doctors speak out about their products. Doctors are cowed into obeying. A doctor/ researcher in Toronto Dr. Nancy Olivieri refused to ok a drug put out by Apotex. Barry Sherman owned the company. He got Nancy fired from sick kids and made her life miserable. In fact Lesley Stahl on 60 minutes interviewed both Barry and Nancy . Pharmaceutical companies have so much wealth and power they can hurt people who thwart their goals….money.

The shot injured and those who declined the shots became whipping boys. The treatment of human beings is/was psychopathic. I will never trust institutions again.

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Sarah's avatar

Long covid in my clients virtually always accompanies histamine intolerance - spike and Mast cells appear to interact.

The steric immune refocussing creating immune pressure- resulting in massive numbers of variants ( Geert Vanden Bossche) and IgG4 ab shift, frame shifting, DNA contamination is enough to end this technology. Unfortunately it's impossible to know the harm done to humanity and future generations - I know GVB has recommended prophylactic anti virals for the vaccinated.

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this little authoritarian's avatar

With transfection (mRNA ) the exact protein of expression is irrelevant.

Non-self proteins expressed without the relevant cascade of immune signals showing infection are likely to induce any number of auto-ummune disorders and cellular destruction. And for what? A supposed respiratory pathogen for which serum antibodies play virtually no significant role in addressing. This was never appropriate.

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