You may be looking at the wrong end of the question -- many of the extremely frail and unhealthy around here, in Sweden, did not get vaccinated, or further vaccinated on their doctor's orders because it was thought that even a very minor reaction to the shot -- fever, aches and pains -- would kill them. Or because we already knew that th…
You may be looking at the wrong end of the question -- many of the extremely frail and unhealthy around here, in Sweden, did not get vaccinated, or further vaccinated on their doctor's orders because it was thought that even a very minor reaction to the shot -- fever, aches and pains -- would kill them. Or because we already knew that their immune system was non-functional and cannot produce a response. (We measured the response in pretty much all of the old people.) It is completely expected that these people will get very sick and probably die, of pretty much anything, including covid if they were unfortunate enough to catch it. But I do not know how well this observation generalises tp other countries.
This reply may offend some of my US brothers and sisters. In my travels across the world it was quite noticeable that the majority of people outside the US walk alot more, are more active, eat fresher less processed food and are generally more ‘fit’ than the average American. I could spot the Americans everywhere. Not because they all wore athletic shoes everywhere but the size difference was quite noticeable. Statistics on obesity in this country correlate to the observations. I don’t consider obesity to be in the ‘healthy’ category even though these people’s bodies can produce an immune response.
In the US, insurance data and total deaths per annum will tell us something. The fact the FAA had to change acceptable EKG for pilots because no pilot has a normal EKG now should also tell us something.
The statement that the old and frail also applied to some degree in the US. They did pass these jabs out at nursing homes to everyone who wasn’t on death’s doorstep already.
You may be looking at the wrong end of the question -- many of the extremely frail and unhealthy around here, in Sweden, did not get vaccinated, or further vaccinated on their doctor's orders because it was thought that even a very minor reaction to the shot -- fever, aches and pains -- would kill them. Or because we already knew that their immune system was non-functional and cannot produce a response. (We measured the response in pretty much all of the old people.) It is completely expected that these people will get very sick and probably die, of pretty much anything, including covid if they were unfortunate enough to catch it. But I do not know how well this observation generalises tp other countries.
Good point. This and many other factors are constant considerations in our interpretations of the data.
This reply may offend some of my US brothers and sisters. In my travels across the world it was quite noticeable that the majority of people outside the US walk alot more, are more active, eat fresher less processed food and are generally more ‘fit’ than the average American. I could spot the Americans everywhere. Not because they all wore athletic shoes everywhere but the size difference was quite noticeable. Statistics on obesity in this country correlate to the observations. I don’t consider obesity to be in the ‘healthy’ category even though these people’s bodies can produce an immune response.
In the US, insurance data and total deaths per annum will tell us something. The fact the FAA had to change acceptable EKG for pilots because no pilot has a normal EKG now should also tell us something.
The statement that the old and frail also applied to some degree in the US. They did pass these jabs out at nursing homes to everyone who wasn’t on death’s doorstep already.
Do you have a link re: the FAA criteria change for EKGs? Thank you!