Designation of "seed oils" is Monsanto Biotech Mafia rebrand of GMO oils soaked in glyphosate & other toxic levels of herbicide or pesticide or both. All that's missing is Monsanto paycheck.
Drs Arora and Nortons do have a point. Its not just solely processed seed oils but COMBINED with all the other not -so-good-stuff, PLUS excessive consumption of such and other foods along with lifestyle factors (lack of exercise, sleep, etc) all results in chronic diseases. Have to look at the big picture
Edward. Exactly. His article is defensive like he was told just dont eat seed oils and you'll live forever. NO ONE thinks that. Its a combination of all the toxins put upon us and of course your genetic expression of it. Yes we all know its the bigger picture!!
As a physician for many decades, heredity plays a part far larger than what you eat in how your health holds out and how long you live. But your final point is really important: Everyone wants a quick fix: The Grapefruit Diet/No Seed Oils/The Caveman Diet/etc. In general, it does not matter from where your calories come -- if you intake more than you expend, you will be less healthy. That means no quick fix -- just losing weight (however you get there) and being more active. In 1900 when there were few seed oils used (Crisco was developed in 1911) the average male lifespan was 35. So there are clearly many, many other more important factors.
It is so nice to say "We have a win -- seed oils are out". But the real win is "everyone weighs less and is in better physical/mental shape". The first win is orders of magnitude easier and, depending on one's viewpoint (as today's guest noted) may or may not be of significance. Not that the olive oil might not be better -- I primarily use that myself and have for years because it tastes better. But on a health basis -- likely tiny benefits.
I was a low carb dieter because I am a sugar and carb addict. Of course I didn’t know this because main stream medicine will tell you that glucose is the primary fuel source for the body. They’ll tell you to up the fiber. They’ll even prescribe you fiber while the fiber wrecks your rectum and colon. Meanwhile, you are a bloody mess.
Nothing clicked till I read this.. I fired my doctor. Went carnivore. My IBD is in remission and I’m no longer a bloody painful mess.
I took my husband to see a new doctor today.
First thing he told us was that if we didn’t follow his instructions that he would cut us off. Ge got real mad because my husband wasn’t taking cholesterol medication. He said, that is not optional. Also, prescribed baby aspirin that cost me 8.00 for 90 pills. Yes, this happened. My husband has Alzheimer’s and he’s had a stroke.
He stopped going to the doctors because for a year all they did was test after test at specialist after specialist. No treatment but pills was ever prescribed. Not even therapy. But, they took the insurance. They got paid, but could not do much more than prescribe pills and mention life style changes.
My husband has lost over sixty pounds. He made the lifestyle changes.
Doc said if he doesn’t do as told that he will be in a nursing home in six months.
So, we gonna do as told. I’m guessing this will be our life until he dies. Life under doctor rule.
I personally, will not go this route. I’ll die first. Not gonna be used for profit. It’s a sad situation.
Things have definitely changed. My first husband had huge teams of therapists that worked with him for almost a year. Many doctors that took interest in his recovery. We had him driving and walking in eight months.
No so with my second husband. So far… they keep kicking the can down the road.. Must see specialist after specialist and get test after test and more test. This new doctor wants more brain scans. I feel as if it’s all for nothing. Mostly to extract as much as possible from the insurance money.
I prefer Olive and Avocado oils likewise... cold pressed, unrefined, organic - taste and natural
just like Ancient Greeks and Romans did
Canola oil (rapeseed) was originally an Industrial Lubricant. GMO and pesticides. and it is refined thru intensive industrial process involving many chemicals. Just these alone is enough reasons NOT to consume it! Yet it is hiding in processed foods. (read the labels)
My LDL cholesterol went down when I made a point of using mostly olive oil. Like they do in Italy! That takes diligence - like bringing my own salad dressing at times - or choosing places that have olive oil as a choice. I also cut back on white flour, sugar, etc., i.e., ultra-processed foods. Didn't modify my saturated fat intake - not a huge meat eater but do enjoy full fat dairy, etc. Maybe I can eat more takeout Asian food (made with seed oils) with less concern now... I'll be interested in seeing others' comments.
Farm Direct or European Cheeses (made with whole raw milk with all the nutrients intact - required by Authenticity laws, without pesticides, chemicals, GMO)
Yes, A1C and Triglycerides dropped big avoiding refined grains, baked goods, sugar
Hi Rav, this is a good interview. Please have on Joseph Mercola, either individually or (even better) in a debate with this guy. I'm reading Mercola's latest book (Your Guide to Cellular Health) right now, and he goes huge on avoiding seed oils and all the damage they wreck on the body. It's like a 180-degree disagreement with this guy, so we need to get to the bottom of this.
Please have Mercola on so we can sort out the evidence and the best path on this right now.
What I have read is that the problem is that breakdown of the seeds is done with chemicals, if it is done mechanically it is a safer product. Glyphosate is also another no go. I also use avocado and olive oil. Thanks for the research
The other thought about oils.. how natural are they? We get oils in different things- meat, flax etc. But if we are trying to adhere to a natural diet the fibre in the seed, plant etc is extremely important as well
Udo Erasmus's book "Fats that kill and fats that heal" was my introduction to the dangers of seed oils. They are the absolute worst processed food in the world. Cold pressed avocado/olive oil is fine - but the industrially produced oils that are so ubiquitous have all been heated to 160°C (I actually rang the Company Flora to check this and they proudly confirmed it) to preserve them - if left naturally to go off they go off in days because they are unstable due to the many (ie poly) double bonds (ie unsaturated) in the carbon chain which makes them reactive and prone to oxidising to rancidity very quickly... Whereas saturated fats are stable as they dont have double bonds in the carbon chain so you can fry with butter safely. Then there's the ratio of omega 6 to 3 - in nature in grass for example it's 1:1 and in olden times the human diet was also 1:1, partly because the fat in naturally pastured butter and beef and lamb is also 1:1 (reflecting its origin in grass). But with the big push for seed oils and against dairy, meat and saturated fat, the ratio of human consumption of 6:3 is now more like 20:1. A disaster when you think that every single membrane in every single cell of your body, and your whole brain, is built using cholesterol (a saturated fat)... but that's another whole story. Everything your guest said is wrong as far as I can see. For a chat about cholesterol invite the wonderfully entertaining Scottish GP and author Malcolm Kendrick onto your podcast - he recently won £5M in damages from the Daily Mail in the UK who had done a smear piece on him saying his advice NOT to take statins was killing 100,000 people etc... the High Court judge agreed with Malcolm that the Daily Mail were wrong and had libelled him. Udo (if he's still around) and Mercola can both talk brilliantly about seed oils/saturated fats.
Between your solid sounding arguments and Dr Mercola's, civilians like me have no way of verifying the contrasting POVs. My wish is that you and he have a public conversation together so maybe some resolution to the differences could get resolved
I’ll have to look into the research, but anecdotally I know several people that have way less joint pain, swelling, and such when they avoid seed oils. I think part of this may be genetics based as well, since the people I know generally have what we call ‘genetic funk’ with multiple mutations that affect several metabolic pathways. These people we put on elimination diets for several big things: seed oils, sugars, processed foods, gluten, enriched flour, dairy, etc and one by one each eliminated group was added in and all systems were monitored for changes. Jumping on & off the sugars and seed oils band wagons seemed to cause the most disruption, particularly with joint pain. The jury is still out for me.
Designation of "seed oils" is Monsanto Biotech Mafia rebrand of GMO oils soaked in glyphosate & other toxic levels of herbicide or pesticide or both. All that's missing is Monsanto paycheck.
Drs Arora and Nortons do have a point. Its not just solely processed seed oils but COMBINED with all the other not -so-good-stuff, PLUS excessive consumption of such and other foods along with lifestyle factors (lack of exercise, sleep, etc) all results in chronic diseases. Have to look at the big picture
Edward. Exactly. His article is defensive like he was told just dont eat seed oils and you'll live forever. NO ONE thinks that. Its a combination of all the toxins put upon us and of course your genetic expression of it. Yes we all know its the bigger picture!!
As a physician for many decades, heredity plays a part far larger than what you eat in how your health holds out and how long you live. But your final point is really important: Everyone wants a quick fix: The Grapefruit Diet/No Seed Oils/The Caveman Diet/etc. In general, it does not matter from where your calories come -- if you intake more than you expend, you will be less healthy. That means no quick fix -- just losing weight (however you get there) and being more active. In 1900 when there were few seed oils used (Crisco was developed in 1911) the average male lifespan was 35. So there are clearly many, many other more important factors.
It is so nice to say "We have a win -- seed oils are out". But the real win is "everyone weighs less and is in better physical/mental shape". The first win is orders of magnitude easier and, depending on one's viewpoint (as today's guest noted) may or may not be of significance. Not that the olive oil might not be better -- I primarily use that myself and have for years because it tastes better. But on a health basis -- likely tiny benefits.
I was a low carb dieter because I am a sugar and carb addict. Of course I didn’t know this because main stream medicine will tell you that glucose is the primary fuel source for the body. They’ll tell you to up the fiber. They’ll even prescribe you fiber while the fiber wrecks your rectum and colon. Meanwhile, you are a bloody mess.
Read: Fiber Menace
https://www.gutsense.org/fiber-menace/about-fiber-menace-book.html
Nothing clicked till I read this.. I fired my doctor. Went carnivore. My IBD is in remission and I’m no longer a bloody painful mess.
I took my husband to see a new doctor today.
First thing he told us was that if we didn’t follow his instructions that he would cut us off. Ge got real mad because my husband wasn’t taking cholesterol medication. He said, that is not optional. Also, prescribed baby aspirin that cost me 8.00 for 90 pills. Yes, this happened. My husband has Alzheimer’s and he’s had a stroke.
He stopped going to the doctors because for a year all they did was test after test at specialist after specialist. No treatment but pills was ever prescribed. Not even therapy. But, they took the insurance. They got paid, but could not do much more than prescribe pills and mention life style changes.
My husband has lost over sixty pounds. He made the lifestyle changes.
Doc said if he doesn’t do as told that he will be in a nursing home in six months.
So, we gonna do as told. I’m guessing this will be our life until he dies. Life under doctor rule.
I personally, will not go this route. I’ll die first. Not gonna be used for profit. It’s a sad situation.
Things have definitely changed. My first husband had huge teams of therapists that worked with him for almost a year. Many doctors that took interest in his recovery. We had him driving and walking in eight months.
No so with my second husband. So far… they keep kicking the can down the road.. Must see specialist after specialist and get test after test and more test. This new doctor wants more brain scans. I feel as if it’s all for nothing. Mostly to extract as much as possible from the insurance money.
I prefer Olive and Avocado oils likewise... cold pressed, unrefined, organic - taste and natural
just like Ancient Greeks and Romans did
Canola oil (rapeseed) was originally an Industrial Lubricant. GMO and pesticides. and it is refined thru intensive industrial process involving many chemicals. Just these alone is enough reasons NOT to consume it! Yet it is hiding in processed foods. (read the labels)
My LDL cholesterol went down when I made a point of using mostly olive oil. Like they do in Italy! That takes diligence - like bringing my own salad dressing at times - or choosing places that have olive oil as a choice. I also cut back on white flour, sugar, etc., i.e., ultra-processed foods. Didn't modify my saturated fat intake - not a huge meat eater but do enjoy full fat dairy, etc. Maybe I can eat more takeout Asian food (made with seed oils) with less concern now... I'll be interested in seeing others' comments.
Farm Direct or European Cheeses (made with whole raw milk with all the nutrients intact - required by Authenticity laws, without pesticides, chemicals, GMO)
Yes, A1C and Triglycerides dropped big avoiding refined grains, baked goods, sugar
Hi Rav, this is a good interview. Please have on Joseph Mercola, either individually or (even better) in a debate with this guy. I'm reading Mercola's latest book (Your Guide to Cellular Health) right now, and he goes huge on avoiding seed oils and all the damage they wreck on the body. It's like a 180-degree disagreement with this guy, so we need to get to the bottom of this.
Please have Mercola on so we can sort out the evidence and the best path on this right now.
Good choice
Keep up your seed oil intake. Nature will deal w you.
Norton is completely out of his depth or a shill for the seed oil industry. Read this and learn: https://media.mercola.com/PDF/research-papers/seed-oils-and-the-20th-century-heart-disease-surge.pdf
I'm reading Mercola's "Guide to Cellular Health" book right now, and there's an entire chapter of the book on cutting seed oils out entirely.
I'd love to see this guy debate Mercola and see where that goes.
What I have read is that the problem is that breakdown of the seeds is done with chemicals, if it is done mechanically it is a safer product. Glyphosate is also another no go. I also use avocado and olive oil. Thanks for the research
The other thought about oils.. how natural are they? We get oils in different things- meat, flax etc. But if we are trying to adhere to a natural diet the fibre in the seed, plant etc is extremely important as well
Just to be thoughtful.. I do use olive and avocado as well…
Udo Erasmus's book "Fats that kill and fats that heal" was my introduction to the dangers of seed oils. They are the absolute worst processed food in the world. Cold pressed avocado/olive oil is fine - but the industrially produced oils that are so ubiquitous have all been heated to 160°C (I actually rang the Company Flora to check this and they proudly confirmed it) to preserve them - if left naturally to go off they go off in days because they are unstable due to the many (ie poly) double bonds (ie unsaturated) in the carbon chain which makes them reactive and prone to oxidising to rancidity very quickly... Whereas saturated fats are stable as they dont have double bonds in the carbon chain so you can fry with butter safely. Then there's the ratio of omega 6 to 3 - in nature in grass for example it's 1:1 and in olden times the human diet was also 1:1, partly because the fat in naturally pastured butter and beef and lamb is also 1:1 (reflecting its origin in grass). But with the big push for seed oils and against dairy, meat and saturated fat, the ratio of human consumption of 6:3 is now more like 20:1. A disaster when you think that every single membrane in every single cell of your body, and your whole brain, is built using cholesterol (a saturated fat)... but that's another whole story. Everything your guest said is wrong as far as I can see. For a chat about cholesterol invite the wonderfully entertaining Scottish GP and author Malcolm Kendrick onto your podcast - he recently won £5M in damages from the Daily Mail in the UK who had done a smear piece on him saying his advice NOT to take statins was killing 100,000 people etc... the High Court judge agreed with Malcolm that the Daily Mail were wrong and had libelled him. Udo (if he's still around) and Mercola can both talk brilliantly about seed oils/saturated fats.
Great book read it 30?years ago…it would be hard to convince me to change back to canola oil now!
I quit ingesting seed oils a couple of years ago.
My heath has greatly improved. I can tell the difference. I use butter, tallow, and coconut oil.
Between your solid sounding arguments and Dr Mercola's, civilians like me have no way of verifying the contrasting POVs. My wish is that you and he have a public conversation together so maybe some resolution to the differences could get resolved
This comes off as defensive. Like you are defending your right to eat seed oil. Eat it no one cares..but you might.
What??
I’ll have to look into the research, but anecdotally I know several people that have way less joint pain, swelling, and such when they avoid seed oils. I think part of this may be genetics based as well, since the people I know generally have what we call ‘genetic funk’ with multiple mutations that affect several metabolic pathways. These people we put on elimination diets for several big things: seed oils, sugars, processed foods, gluten, enriched flour, dairy, etc and one by one each eliminated group was added in and all systems were monitored for changes. Jumping on & off the sugars and seed oils band wagons seemed to cause the most disruption, particularly with joint pain. The jury is still out for me.
Dr Patricia Kane did research years ago regarding PUFA's... I don't think she would agree with this new war on seed oils.